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Nosmo King 07-20-2011 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1025540)
And 30 DTW 744A's is a big hit. I don't think they expected that at all. Many of us line grunts have been saying hiring needs to continue, or Flight Ops is going to get caught with their pants down around their ankles.

If you remember the north guys on this board saying that fixing retiree medical would generat retirements, this is a good test case. The guys I talked to that opted to use this program ALL said they did the math and the severance covered their premiums until 65. All captains except for one FO that was turning 60 in Dec.

Caveat- none of them were paying for dependents other than a spouse.

I think this is one of the reasons u saw.747 and 330 capts bailing but not 777 capts. North guys with frozen db plus severance would be/working for/per diem if they stayed.

nwaf16dude 07-20-2011 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1025618)
I put in yellow slips when I know I'm going to fly. I use yellow slip to pick which trip I want. I'll also use it to lower my raw score when I'm on short call (I'm a commuter with no crashpad). I don't think there's a pilot out there that would yellow slip on a day off. That's just moronic. When the trips are awarded, a "Y" next to it could be any of the above reasons. There's no way to differentiate. BTW, I hate lineholders that put in generic whiteslips on their days off. They are volunteering for short call for straight pay. As a commuter, it's frustrating to sit short call and not get used multiple days in a row.

I have used yellow slips on off days, but only when it will get me something over guarantee. Haven't even been close to 70 since I transferred to ATL767. A very large percentage of our open time gets covered by white slips and recovery flying.

johnso29 07-20-2011 08:05 AM

Disregard.....

maddogmax 07-20-2011 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 1025619)
If you remember the north guys on this board saying that fixing retiree medical would generat retirements, this is a good test case. The guys I talked to that opted to use this program ALL said they did the math and the severance covered their premiums until 65. All captains except for one FO that was turning 60 in Dec.

Caveat- none of them were paying for dependents other than a spouse.

I think this is one of the reasons u saw.747 and 330 capts bailing but not 777 capts. North guys with frozen db plus severance would be/working for/per diem if they stayed.

I totally agree but I believe if the retiree medical issue had been fixed you would have seen many more taking the package. Also, remember not all north guys have BIG DB retirements even with 25+ YOS

johnso29 07-20-2011 08:47 AM

Am I reading the contract comparison correctly WRT our scope in that management can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW for every mainline aircraft added above 767 fleet count management can add 3 76 seaters, but can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW, they'd be replacing 70 seaters with 76 seaters?

Brocc15 07-20-2011 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1025595)
God I hate reserve guys who put in Yellow slips. Not really but a nice fat trip that I thought would be GS went to a YS.


I use Yellow slips. You probably weren't going to get a GS anyway! If the trip is over 12 hours away it was going to go to the next long call reserve anyway, for us YS just changes the order in which we would get called. Or if it is less than 12 hours away, it was going to go to the next short call available. The only time it would turn into a GS is if there were no short calls and someone has a YS in. Very very rare in my base, in fact at any given time we usually have about 400% of the reserves required for that day. I don't YS on my days off, but I do it all the time on my days on in order to get the trips I want instead of getting stuck with short call.

Rogue24 07-20-2011 09:10 AM

Anyone else hearing this??

The rumor is that DAL/DALPA/DCI are in talks with each other to bring the RJ-700/E-170 and above to mainline. Pilots would come with where the DCI pilots are given system seniority numbers on the bottom of our list and retain their current seat seniority for bidding purposes.

Seems to have some legs. It makes sense if they want the 190/RJ1000 and want the training efficiencies.

alfaromeo 07-20-2011 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1025656)
Am I reading the contract comparison correctly WRT our scope in that management can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW for every mainline aircraft added above 767 fleet count management can add 3 76 seaters, but can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW, they'd be replacing 70 seaters with 76 seaters?

You are correct.

acl65pilot 07-20-2011 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Rogue24 (Post 1025672)
Anyone else hearing this??

The rumor is that DAL/DALPA/DCI are in talks with each other to bring the RJ-700/E-170 and above to mainline. Pilots would come with where the DCI pilots are given system seniority numbers on the bottom of our list and retain their current seat seniority for bidding purposes.

Seems to have some legs. It makes sense if they want the 190/RJ1000 and want the training efficiencies.

Funny you should mention this. I was just talking about this rumor with a few ASA friends. Apparently they feel it has legs.

The savings are in the debt financing not the pilots costs. Their contracts all have trip and duty rigs these days. The training efficiencies would be huge as well.

acl65pilot 07-20-2011 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1025656)
Am I reading the contract comparison correctly WRT our scope in that management can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW for every mainline aircraft added above 767 fleet count management can add 3 76 seaters, but can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW, they'd be replacing 70 seaters with 76 seaters?

Yep, that is how it reads. 255 is the cap and they are near that now.


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