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Nosmo King 07-24-2011 09:50 AM

A dalpa supporter using non-transparency to discredit dpa is hypocrisy.

Enemyofthestate 07-24-2011 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 1027784)
A dalpa supporter* using non-transparency to discredit dpa is hypocrisy.

*
shill (shhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifl) Slang n. One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.

v. shilled, shill·ing, shills
v.intr. To act as a shill.

v.tr.1. To act as a shill for (a deceitful enterprise).
2. To lure (a person) into a swindle.

forgot to bid 07-24-2011 11:08 AM

The Trip Coverage report needs to be run daily at 815am by a computer with no input from anyone, rather just reviewed. Then at 9am SC should follow with it's own automatic TC. All of which are published for review.

None of this SC is assigned anywhere from 845am until 2:30pm and nobody has a clue as to who is next. And no more can a YS "select preference qualifiers if needed to fly" be ignored. The TC should be available for review.

Ralphie 07-24-2011 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 1027747)
Name that caption..... :D

1) Reaction of certain individuals after not being elected to the Negotiating Committee in March 2010...

2)

3)

4)

Carl after the first Delta South pilot successfully holds 744A

forgot to bid 07-24-2011 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 1027747)
Name that caption..... :D

1) Reaction of certain individuals after not being elected to the Negotiating Committee in March 2010...

2)

3)

4)

Me after a short call to a deadhead middle seat.

forgot to bid 07-24-2011 11:53 AM

I think I want to start an airline flying DC-8s.

Carry on.

Carl Spakler 07-24-2011 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027651)
Seham is not telling his client what he wants to hear, he's following orders from the client. Again, I think USAPA is grasping at straws, but you have to admire a law firm that fights for their client to the bitter end.

I don't have to admire that firm, and I don't.

I admire a firm who tells their client the truth and helps devise a legal strategy that maximizes the outcome within the reality that exists, rather than one you wish exists.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027651)
This is your opinion, not USAPA's. To them, implementing that list would be far worse than what's happening now. They're the ones that get to decide whether their strategy thus far is a success - not us.

I do get to decide if their strategy is a success. If you want me to sign on to a union who has already committed to the services of the same firm that concocted the legal strategy of USAPA. I have an opinion. And that opinion is their legal strategy is both dishonorable (refuse to accept the results of binding arbitration) and foolish (doom everyone to fly 2 separate operations where Captains make Copilot pay, just so you can call yourself Captain).


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027651)
I've never said it was. I said that USAPA sees it as a success.

You said "USAPA has succeeded in not implementing that seniority list". That's what you said. First I show video of Seham saying something and you insist he didn't say what he just said. Then you type something and say you didn't type what you just typed. You're more fun than a barrel of monkeys!


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027651)
If there had been a single example of unethical behavior, Seham's firm would have been sanctioned for it. That hasn't happened. But I know details like that don't matter to you ALPA "volunteers".

You and I both know there is a very wide degree of latitude given to counsel. A very high threshold of has to be crossed before official sanction. At much lower levels reasonable people can still raise an eyebrow and say "That's not what I look for in a lawyer".

I want a lawyer that gives good advice and tells me the truth when nobody else will. Just like you expect of a good friend.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027651)
Speaking of ethics, did you apply for flight pay loss when you helped to disrupt the DPA during the ATL visit? Or did you just charge for the production of that video?

Buy better bait and maybe you'll have more luck the next time you go fishin'

PilotFrog 07-24-2011 12:40 PM

Is it just me or has this thread degenerated into a Carl vs Carl fight?

Carl Spackler 07-24-2011 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 1027747)
Name that caption..... :D

1) Reaction of certain individuals after not being elected to the Negotiating Committee in March 2010...

2)

3)

4)

2) Slowplay, alfaromeo, reroute, etc., reacting after learning the DPA's first order of business is to establish a "No Mustache Zone"

Carl

Carl Spakler 07-24-2011 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027653)
Factually incorrect? Care to post where the law allows for union dues budgeted to a local's pilots gets to be kept by the national union? I would help to represent the Delta pilots in that lawsuit for free!

Wow, we're so lucky that you'll play lawyer for free. Can't find anyone who'll pay you, I guess.
I’m not going to dig up the law that says the money is kept. You show me the law that says you get to keep it.
USAPA walked out of ALPA with zero.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027653)
No need to untangle anything. It's already budgeted and accounted for Delta pilots. It was and is the money of Delta pilots. If ALPA were to not agree, I know the IRS would show them the error of their ways.

The problem is the pilots who are Delta pilots today were not the pilots who were Delta pilots when the money went into the bank. This isn't a NWA/DAL thing either (although the NWA MEC account was empty so it's funny you're so possessive of it).

This is because when the fund started to build up, many of the guys who were working at that time have since retired. Many of the guys who work at DL now were in college.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027653)
It's about $15,000,000 a year in dues. Since we wouldn't be giving the majority of it to the regionals anymore, the $15,000,000 would be all for Delta pilots. Thus at 1%, it would be a net increase of dues revenue to be used for the representation of Delta pilots. Only Delta pilots.

$15M to start up, operate AND start a war chest. Do you have any idea how expensive negotiations are? USAPA was paying DPA's same law firm
over $57K per week when I looked at 2010 LM2 data.

It's not the "majority". Read your own web site. I don't know anyone who thinks it's a good idea to have anyone flying planes for poverty wages. A small amount of money is diverted to a pool for the common good.

But the common good was never really your strong suit was it. The whole idea of trade unionism has never really sat well with you.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1027653)
I've not gotten any email asking me for a whole rotation's worth of pay. Just emails asking for contributions if you can afford to. Maybe I missed it. Could you post the emails where DPA asked for a whole rotation's worth of your pay?

Advisory Council Perspective Letter 7/11/2011
“Lastly, make a generous contribution, TODAY, to DPA commensurate with your desire to make this career a great one again! Is one hour of flight pay worth it? How about a rotations worth?

So I've done my home work. Why don't you tell us how much DPA pays their firm? Surely with a total contributions ever received around $32K they can't possibly be paying the $300/hr normally charged for a partner. So there's a discount? Why the discount? Last time I heard of a deal like that, the same firm was getting their hooks into USAPA.
So what exactly is the relationship/special pricing deal? Or will they not tell you?


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