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This was talked about last night and I don't think I've missed a response but I'll ask it again:
1. What happens to the DALPA "war chest" if the DPA is voted in? DPA says it goes to them, or someone from the DPA said that. Taternuts said it doesn't, but if doesn't: 2. Where then does it go?
Originally Posted by Carl "without the c" Spakler as Taternuts
(Post 1027570)
I've heard second-hand that DPA was starting to spread yet another untruth. I knew if there was a fib to be told I could count on Carl. Now I've heard it first hand!
This is factually incorrect and it's intended to deceive Delta pilots into thinking that DPA is financially viable to commence Section 6. They aren't and they can't possibly be. Early openers are just 6 or 7 months away. If you ever tried to untangle that money and distribute it, you would have to go "first-in, first-out" so you'd have to find retired pilots and refund them their surplus before you could give it to anyone else. Do some quick math and figure out what the DPA promise of 1% does in half a year. Which is probably why the pan-handling has escalated in recent emails. I saw one where he asked people to donate a whole rotation's worth of pay. ROFL That's more than we pay to ALPA in a whole year. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1027954)
ALPA has reduced its headcount by over 25% in the last ten years. :eek:
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1027941)
We are still flying them, albeit with 2 engines less:D (757-300)
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BTW, Carl 2 was posting the night someone posted the Tater Nuts clip, and since some thought they'd be too cute by half and try to copy names I thought we could correct the problem by assigning names:
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Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1027964)
Does the 753 flex as much as the DC-8 used too?
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1027954)
ALPA has reduced its headcount by over 25% in the last ten years. :eek:
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1027912)
You know, at this point I have to admit that I am completely lost in the debate that is going on between you guys and Carl #1 -- and I'm not one to easily get lost in an argument.
New K I gave you the facts of the situation (as opposed to a bunch of hysterical rantings) and you came up with the right conclusion. It is very difficult to change a seniority list. It is, however, legal and has been done, but very rarely. Carl tried to prove that it is impossible and made a fool of himself, but it is not impossible, just highly unlikely. Those are two different things. That fact has not stopped USAPA from committing mass career suicide as they embark on their fools errand. The DPA lawyer has assisted in that career suicide and collected a s..t load of money doing it. He has done nothing to try to convince his clients to end their suicide mission and in fact does nothing but throw gasoline on the fire. Did I mention he has collected a s..t load of money in the last three years? My point was always and remains this: DPA is an amorphous blob that shapes itself to whatever anyone wants to see in it. SOME (SOME,SOME,SOME, please someone look up that definition in the dictionary) pilots think DPA will change the seniority list. SOME think they will make a money tree grow and we can just pick off however much we want. SOME think that they can rid the world of RJ's. My point never was about changing the seniority list, it was about how DPA merely changes their website to fit whatever situation they find themselves in. They also engage in deception in all their communications. DPA blows through every timeline they ever set and they get a free pass. ALPA gets blamed for everything under the sun including rickets and the Friday, Friday song. That is my point. If DPA ever becomes our bargaining agent, then they will have to actually perform something. At that point, all of these people who can transform their hopes and beliefs into this amorphous blob will get a massive wakeup call. That is my point. No matter what Carl says, this was not about seniority lists, this was about how easy it is to achieve your goals when you can merely erase them from the website and replace them with new ones. Actually doing something is much harder. I can create a website that says I hit .415 with 87 homers in major league baseball last year, that doesn't make me the starting center fielder on the Reds. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1027912)
You know, at this point I have to admit that I am completely lost in the debate that is going on between you guys and Carl #1 -- and I'm not one to easily get lost in an argument.
It seems to me that Carl #1 is saying that it is impossible to change a seniority list, and you guys are arguing that it is possible, just very difficult. You guys also seem to want to hold the DPA lawyer to task for publicly stating that it would be easy to change a seniority list when he was/is representing the US Airways pilot group. All of that is fine and dandy, but in my opinion, there is no real argument between you guys. #1: There is very little difference, and very little debate should stem from one party stating that a list is impossible to change and another party saying that is is possible, but would be very difficult. It's sort of like someone saying that it's impossible to repeal the 13th Amendment and someone else saying it is possible, you would just have to convene a Constitutional Convention or get 2/3's of Congress to agree to it. Sure, there is a way to do it, but it's not gonna happen. Same thing = Same thing. #2: When a lawyer makes a statement on behalf of his client, he is expected to be a zealous advocate and make his case appear as strong as possible. That's what they get paid to do. If the USAPA hired a law firm or lawyer to change their seniority list, he is not supposed to publicly state that it would be and hard task. How this equates to the DPA anyway, I'm not sure. Either way, I think it's apparent that once our seniority list was published and subsequently implemented in the January 2010 AE, it became a done deal. Even if the DPA did get on property, it would be impossible for them to change it, through negotiations, the court, or whatever. Who would they negotiate with anyway, the company? Delta would want no part of it. At this point, just 1 1/2 year into the merger, thousands of pilots have trained, moved, switched schools for their kids, altered plans and made countless other changes based on the arbitrated list and the subsequent AE's. IMO, no entity would dare try to change it, because they would know that they would just be a defendant to against a huge multi-party, multi-million dollar lawsuit if they did. Anyone who is being lead to believe otherwise should really rethink the reasonableness of such a proposition. The reality is that the list is the list. Personally, I think you guys should let this one go. If you want to argue the merits and demerits of ALPA and the DPA, go for it. But, I don't think you should argue that the DPA sucks based on something that reasonable DPA supporters know the DPA is incapable of doing. I don't care who their lawyer is, or what he said when he was representing the USAPA. The thing that needs to be addressed is that the vast majority of DPA supporters support them for reasons other than a desire to change the seniority list. If those issues could be acknowledged and addressed, the DPA would fade into history fairly quickly. New K Nuff said. Carl |
Originally Posted by Reroute
(Post 1027883)
You can pull up ALPA's LM-2 and find where every red cent has been spent. You don't need to be an ALPA pilot to do it. Where can I find a similar report and transparency from DPA?
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There I was starting short call at 0530 this morning asleep in my bed.
Phone rings at 1020, I look and its scheduling. "Hello!" I say. Scheduler says "Yeah we got you on rotation **** signing in at 10:10" "Well its 10:20!" I say "Yeah so were are you?" - Scheduler "Umm no one called me this morning" - Me "Yeah it says here it was placed on your line at 0500 and acknowledged." "Hmm that's weird because I was asleep and there's no incoming calls at all today" "So when can you show up?" Gotta love it! |
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