My comment was about "hiding money and sham income statements". The pay rate we get will probably be decided by the NMB process and hopefully we will get every cent we can but if you're expecting 50% give a call to the APA and see how far they got with that. LUV routinely gets 3 to 5% a year and look where they are now. I agree we need to catch up but it might take 2 bites. I hope not but again just my opinion.

Carl, I'm not sure that money comes with us.

It's tough debating someone who doesn't understand legal action. USAPA's counsel (Lee Seham) is claiming this to be true IN THE CASE OF USAPA. He is not saying that it is always negotiable under all circumstances. I know it's what you need to keep claiming, but it's not his claim.

He's got a very tough row to hoe, but he's doing what's been asked of him by his USAPA clients. I don't think he will win, but so far USAPA has succeeded in not implementing that seniority list. I think Lee's grasping at straws using this argument, but I like the idea that he's fighting like hell for his client. That's what I would love to have at ALPA. We do not. Instead we have ALPA lawyers that give the great advice about TWA, and busting their own in-house union. But I digress.

Seham's a great choice IMO for the reasons above. I like a fighter as a lawyer, and I detest a lap dog for one.

None that I know of other than a standard attorney client agreement. Do you know anything?...other than mud slinging?

I think you're lying. I've not seen anything but professional demeanor and understating DPA. All I've seen is guys answering questions and giving literature, then asking guys to make up their own minds.

Now, would you like to discuss how the ALPA "volunteers" acted in ATL...while getting paid flight pay loss with our union dues?

My understanding is that there's a draft. But it would need to be voted on by all the members. Unlike the way ALPA writes and re-writes theirs.

Go to the website and study it. Or would you rather just make baseless accusations and look foolish? Or you could just call TC or any of the other founders. They're really good about returning calls.

Are you hinting that you actually know anything about the relationship between Lee Seham's firm and DPA? Or are you once again just throwing mud in the hopes that any of it will stick?

Carl

TenYearsGone's statement was correct. Your response to him that it was the stupidest thing you've seen posted, is just wrong. Sarbanes-Oxley was supposed to stop this stuff, but it didn't. One of Jim Cramer's loudest rants was when he was discussing what happened to an S&P 500 corp...he said: "How can there still be this level of FICTION in a company's financials after Sarbanes-Oxley?"

But you don't need to resort to actual fiction. There are many GAAP techniques available to minimize profit displays. Early debt repayment, good will, etc. This is precisely why our union should not care or even be part of seeing these items from management. They need to sign non-disclosure agreements to even see them, and the financial data they see is totally controlled by a mangement team dedicated to minimizing their costs and maximizing their bonuses.

TYG's point was that this secrecy involved in our union reps being able to see heavily biased data does nothing but drive a wedge between union leaders and their members. Management knows this. I wish more people did.

Carl

Oh you mean like the JPWA and C2012? :rolleyes:

:D

It looks like you are more than holding your own without me. :D

Those individual responses to each sentence / premise are devastating.


And this is coming from someone who is still willing to take responsibility for ALPA's actions.

The opener will tell me all I need to know.

BTW, it's good to be back. :D

Already? :D

A lawyer who tells his client what he wants to hear, then proceeds to rack up infinite numbers of billable hours in pursuit of a goal he knows is virtually impossible is not doing his client justice...he's padding his wallet.

Meanwhile "success" at not implementing the seniority list has come at such great expense. The Captains at Airways make the same as most Delta FO's. A Pyrrhic victory at best.

Interesting that you think blocking a list at all monetary and ethical costs is a "success". You haven't changed.

I've heard second-hand that DPA was starting to spread yet another untruth. I knew if there was a fib to be told I could count on Carl. Now I've heard it first hand!

This is factually incorrect and it's intended to deceive Delta pilots into thinking that DPA is financially viable to commence Section 6. They aren't and they can't possibly be. Early openers are just 6 or 7 months away.

If you ever tried to untangle that money and distribute it, you would have to go "first-in, first-out" so you'd have to find retired pilots and refund them their surplus before you could give it to anyone else.

Do some quick math and figure out what the DPA promise of 1% does in half a year.

Which is probably why the pan-handling has escalated in recent emails. I saw one where he asked people to donate a whole rotation's worth of pay. ROFL
That's more than we pay to ALPA in a whole year.

Carl Spakler (without the "c"), you are one heck of a cool aid drinker. Sure you not sick of it yet? Because it sure sounds like it.... That amount of posts, the DOH, and already attacking the REAL Carl, you just must have had too much.