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Carl Spackler 07-19-2011 07:22 PM

Something to make you feel better about short call Buzz.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cpZwVPMq6p...Kournikova.jpg



Carl

buzzpat 07-19-2011 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1025373)
Something to make you feel better about short call Buzz.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cpZwVPMq6p...Kournikova.jpg



Carl

Carl, you always know how to cheer a guy up! Ive been missing me some Anna!:D

RoughLandings 07-19-2011 07:38 PM

American Airlines expected to announce jet orders

AA to announce order for 400 new jets tomorrow. Half Boeing, half Airbus. And possibly possibly spinning off Eagle.

80ktsClamp 07-19-2011 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1025287)
No, they're included because their wages aren't high. Your same argument could/should be used to add Air France/KLM to the data. But DALPA didn't do that. Why? High wages and working conditions. You can't put them in the mix and hope to keep expectations low.

Carl

Carl, you pride yourself on having the facts, and you are lacking in them right now.

USair East and America West still operate under their respective, separate contracts. They each operate the same equipment for different rates under the Airways name. This is why Usair and America West are listed in the comparison. Education is key...


Now then, there is apparently an LOA in the works over their that will give a 36% raise or so to those types. THAT will help big time in our fight for mo money and thus mo problems.

Carl Spackler 07-19-2011 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1025389)
Carl, you pride yourself on having the facts, and you are lacking in them right now.

USair East and America West still operate under their respective, separate contracts. They each operate the same equipment for different rates under the Airways name. This is why Usair and America West are listed in the comparison. Education is key...


Now then, there is apparently an LOA in the works over their that will give a 36% raise or so to those types. THAT will help big time in our fight for mo money and thus mo problems.

Fair enough Clamp. Thanks for the correction.

But Air France/KLM should also have been in there. There's only one reason they're not.

Carl

Bill Lumberg 07-19-2011 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1025309)
A Delta north guy was in the crew lounge in LAX tossing around DPA cards. He handed me one and I said no thanks I would like to have one after this contract negotiation. He asked why, I said "because DPA will only hurt not help at this point". Of course my opinion and I would like to see heat on DALPA to do the things right. I have said before there is no chance DPA can re-invent the wheel in time and not have the company use the DPA wedge to their advantage. Lets talk when DPA has more time to get an easy button from Staples. At this point he said something that blew me away, "so you are happy with the SLI?"

Maybe someone can offer me some guidance but are we really, really being drug into a union certification vote on the SLI issue? Even if this is a small part of the platform, what does DPA intend to do with the SLI? Is this his dog in the fight?

Sending in a card doesn't mean you are voting for the DPA yet, rather asking for a vote to choose. Competition is good, especially when ALPA represents RJ pilots and mainline pilots. ALPA has to understand that we want their FULL attention when it comes to OUR contract, and not to manage our expectations while comparing us to our so called "peers" on the low end of the scale like USAir. The Delta pilot shouldn't have brought up the SLI, but you should have taken his advice and taken the card and sent it in. If you had an agent, would he have to listen to your wants and needs, and fight for you? If he instead thought you couldn't get much, or compared you to someone weaker, would you keep him? Sending in the DPA card is a way to tell that agent to fight a little harder for what YOU want, not what they think you might be able to get.

80ktsClamp 07-19-2011 08:25 PM

And while we're at it, I apparently momentarily lost my differentiation between "there" and "their." I have become who I hate.

AF/KLM would be interesting to see, however the document at least at first glance is well done. I'll always give credit where credit is due. The negotiations environment handout was very interesting as well (and well done again).

I need to get my box of crayons and speak n' spell to digest the comparison.... and probably some beer.

Carl Spackler 07-19-2011 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1025416)
And while we're at it, I apparently momentarily lost my differentiation between "there" and "their." I have become who I hate.

AF/KLM would be interesting to see, however the document at least at first glance is well done. I'll always give credit where credit is due. The negotiations environment handout was very interesting as well (and well done again).

I need to get my box of crayons and speak n' spell to digest the comparison.... and probably some beer.

Nah, you're a good speller. You'll never loose that. :D

Carl

80ktsClamp 07-19-2011 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1025417)
Nah, you're a good speller. You'll never loose that. :D

Carl

Thank's Carl, Your a grate friend!

forgot to bid 07-19-2011 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1025240)
Sit on short call and than have someone pick up a GS for a trip you are legal for...that makes financial and operational sense

The only time I think it makes sense to use a GS over a reserve pilot is if you don't want to risk losing the only person required to show up. If you run out of reserves you are left using only GS's which may not be good if they dry up or are not interested in the available flying, so in those times I could see where they use the GS's over the reserve pilot.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1025270)
Nah, I just need a union.

Carl

You're good.


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1025309)
A Delta north guy was in the crew lounge in LAX tossing around DPA cards. He handed me one and I said no thanks I would like to have one after this contract negotiation. He asked why, I said "because DPA will only hurt not help at this point". Of course my opinion and I would like to see heat on DALPA to do the things right. I have said before there is no chance DPA can re-invent the wheel in time and not have the company use the DPA wedge to their advantage. Lets talk when DPA has more time to get an easy button from Staples.

As with any congressman or President, there is no heat to do the right things until there is a threat of losing the next election. That's why a reelected senator tends to be rather dangerous.


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1025309)
At this point he said something that blew me away, "so you are happy with the SLI?"

Maybe someone can offer me some guidance but are we really, really being drug into a union certification vote on the SLI issue? Even if this is a small part of the platform, what does DPA intend to do with the SLI? Is this his dog in the fight?

this is form the DPA site:


DPA FAQ's > There is a rumor floating around that DPA is seeking to overturn the Seniority List Integration. Is this true?

Absolutely not! That is a rumor being spread by ALPA proponents that is simply ridiculous. The list is permanent and not changeable. Anyone who is suggesting this idea should be challenged to describe a method for this to occur. They won’t be able to. The issue is dead and we are moving forward unified.



Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1025422)
Thank's Carl, Your a grate friend!

You're giving into pier pressure.

http://surf.transworld.net/files/2009/06/09/julian.jpg

When I was a kid my dad bought me a shirt in California that said pier pressure, for years I just assumed I was spelling it right. Right along with congradulations. When my brother graduated from h.s. he got a mug that said congradulations, I figured, you're celebrating an education so obviously it's spelled right? Surely? And it sounds right?!

Stupid play on words.


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