I swear, the next pilot who spills coffee in our simulators...

We can have coffee in the simulators? Awesome!:D

I jumpseat on them all the time. They are load restricted constantly. Thank god USAIR has the jumpseat included in the OEW or I would not get on many times. They don't make it in the winter. Jetblue could not make it from JFK to the West Coast in the winter with the A320. Used to stop in SLC all the time for gas. The A321 is regarded as a huge pig at USAIR.

I don't think Delta wants anything to do with the 717. I would be shocked if they picked any up. In fact I will be shocked if they purchase anything that will hold less then 130 people in a two class configuration.

I gotta agree with you on this Sailing. I have long thought that the 737-800 was our best 100 seat replacement. In effect for the same price as a 130 seat jet, you have the flexibility and efficiency to go from 100-152 seats with decent range, mx commonality, etc.

Then we merged with NW and the airbus showed up. The same arguement for the -800 goes for the airbus except it is also more comfortable in the back.

None of this takes a critical look at life cycle costs and I dont recall the efficiency comparison between the 73-8 and the 320/321.

If DAL can get a sweet deal on 717's (Airtran got AA's 717s for .60 cents on the dollar for a stock swap - so our deal would have to be way better today) and sort out the engine costs, I cant think of any reason to turn them away.

When is Boeing going to re-open the 757 line again?

They are not going to reopen the 757 line. The cost per seat mile is way to high on the aircraft. That is why it went out of production in the first place. Its a great performer and a great pilots aircraft. New ones would not be money makers.

So the way I see it here is that the 739 is able to make the shorter hops up and down the east coast/in and out of hubs, while also having the capability to stretch out on a transcon more comfortably than the A320. Sound right?



I'm thinking this type of operational flexibility is something DAL is looking for.

the 320 is the more comfortable jet in the back.

The A320 is was more comfortable than the B737 both up front and in back. NWA flew the Bos-Sea route for years and we were never weight restricted nor made a fuel stop. I remember going west with full fuel tanks and a full load of pax.

The 320 is definitely a more comfortable plane, agree with you guys on that one. The 320 is really like having a first class seat in coach, much noticeable difference. Boeing hasn't seemed focused on making a little extra leg room or improving the cabin comfort in their designs, and I think that will ultimately hurt us on long-haul flights.


I'm just wondering if the 739 is that much more of a mission capable aircraft from an operational standpoint.
Is it more efficient? Can it carry a heavier load further than the 320?


I plead ignorance on this one, I spend most of my time just trying to figure out what the he11 the vnav is doing on the 88, so there isn't much time for anything else.