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Old 09-07-2011 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
acl and johnso got it right. Here's how I would answer:

Its a union sanctioned contract violation that abrogates seniority and costs jobs.

And if you think that's bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
Some people want out of base swaps.
Seems as though we have a lot of things that need to be fixed in the next contract.
Old 09-07-2011 | 10:16 AM
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How about pay tables based on a per mile basis?
Old 09-07-2011 | 10:26 AM
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How about pay tables based on a per mile basis?
We used to have that.
Prior to 1996 we got paid by weight, speed and mileage.
Old 09-07-2011 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Seems as though we have a lot of things that need to be fixed in the next contract.

My oh my, aren't you the master of understatement.
Old 09-07-2011 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
My oh my, aren't you the master of understatement.
That's the only thing one can do to keep EVERY statement or question from being turned into some pro or anti ALPA or DPA manipulation.

Trust me, if I were to make a bold statement on what needs to be done, it would be distorted.

This place is starting to remind me of congress again.
Old 09-07-2011 | 11:16 AM
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Why don't we eliminate trip parking? Just make a provision that once you swap a trip away, you cannot get that specific trip back. Simple fix.
Old 09-07-2011 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
From my best estimates, with just shy of 10,800 pilots flying the line and given their average seniority multiplied by the pay tables with some assumptions thrown in for benefits and employment costs and so forth I think we're spending just shy of $1.7B on the pilot group.

If we didn't change the ALVs (using Sep 11 numbers) and went to SWA=DC9 pay you're looking at $800M cost increase. Or an increase of $138K average pilot pay (not including benefits, employment costs) to $208K or a $70K increase.

I'm assuming.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
My math backs up yours.
Warning! Cocktail napkin math below!

2008: $19 Billion of debt = Approx. $1.5 Billion of debt service
2013: $10 Billion of debt = Approx. $700 Million of debt service (refinanced to better terms)

Difference: Approx. $800 million
2013-2018: 100 737-900ER's "cash accretive from day one"-R. Anderson
Mo' Money to pay down debt!

Even if only $800 Million in reduced debt service:

$800M divided by 12000 pilots = $66,667 PER PILOT.

They can pay us that much right off the bat, its just a matter of how we want the money split up!
Old 09-07-2011 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Why don't we eliminate trip parking? Just make a provision that once you swap a trip away, you cannot get that specific trip back. Simple fix.
Because that would require a change to the contract, and the company would make us pay for it. You can bet that the company absolutely loves trip parking. What's not to love? You've got pilots bending over backwards looking for loopholes to allow them to fly 100+ hours for straight pay.
Old 09-07-2011 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Warning! Cocktail napkin math below!

2008: $19 Billion of debt = Approx. $1.5 Billion of debt service
2013: $10 Billion of debt = Approx. $700 Million of debt service (refinanced to better terms)

Difference: Approx. $800 million
2013-2018: 100 737-900ER's "cash accretive from day one"-R. Anderson
Mo' Money to pay down debt!

Even if only $800 Million in reduced debt service:

$800M divided by 12000 pilots = $66,667 PER PILOT.

They can pay us that much right off the bat, its just a matter of how we want the money split up!
I'd like it to be heavily weighted towards MD88 FOs. Shiz?
Old 09-07-2011 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I'd like it to be heavily weighted towards MD88 FOs. Shiz?
Without a doubt!
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