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Old 09-16-2011 | 09:57 AM
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It didn't say what type of airplane it was but...did they have a magenta line to follow? I've often had to "follow the magenta line" to find some of the little places, just to be sure I was at the right one!

Years ago (1987) a Delta mainline crew put a DC 9 into Frankfurt, KY, while looking for CVG! It was at night, in the rain, shooting an NDB approach to CVG, they popped out of the clouds, saw a lit up runway and landed...then it got intersting trying to find the gates! Luckily most of today's airplanes having glass cockpits and magenta lines to follow.
It was a Saab 340 so I don't think they have a magenta line. Might be wrong because maybe they've added something but my experience is the 340s and E120s of the world are strictly VORs and heading bugs.

From the looks of it there is nothing there to make a magenta line... http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../4/1102486.jpg

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Old 09-16-2011 | 10:10 AM
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Report darkens Bombardier C Series hopes - The Globe and Mail

...The airlines surveyed have a favourable view of the plane and the 20 per cent reduction in fuel consumption that Bombardier is promising, but are wary of the costs of adding a new type of aircraft to their fleets, concerned about price, and cautious about whether the C Series will meet its performance targets and be ready for delivery in 2013...

...It was in the running for a Delta Air Lines Inc. order for 100 planes, but Delta said this week that it is putting off an order for planes seating between 100 and 150 passengers after reaching a deal with Boeing earlier this summer to buy 100 larger narrow-bodied airplanes. The Delta delay underscores how airlines are cautious about the plane, in part because they’re worried about the health of the U.S. and European economies...
Maybe without the orders they want and cash to play with BBD will instead drive this aircraft harder and faster towards being on time and the performer they promised. It's hard now but maybe it'll work out for them in the long run because of the simple axiom you can't waste money you never had unless you're the government.

Here is a picture of the C-Series if anyone doesn't remember what it's going to look like...



Republic? Who are they? Oh wait a minute... aren't they that conglomeration of airlines that flies for us and runs our competitor Frontier all under the same roof and management team? And pilot seniority list? And HR and recruiting departments? And so on...
Old 09-16-2011 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
It was a Saab 340 so I don't think they have a magenta line. Might be wrong.
We should be careful throwing stones.... An NW A320 landed at Ellsworth afb instead of Rapid City a short few years ago.
Old 09-16-2011 | 10:14 AM
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Air France KLM got board approval for a firm order of 50 long-haul aircraft. 25 A350 XWBs and 25 Boeing 787s, options for another 35 Airbii & 25 Boeings
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Old 09-16-2011 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Ha ha. Every single trip I put in for a blind swap is better than the trips I have. If any of them go through, I'll consider myself ahead. I think. I'm just excited to get a break from reserve. Things are looking up for me...even if it's only for a month.
Pansy! Thats not a true blind swap! Thats a standard swap with pot.
Old 09-16-2011 | 10:19 AM
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Suspended JFK Transatlantic routes return later than initially planned.
Scheduled to resume June instead of Mid-March as planned.

Atlanta – Moscow Sheremetyevo Suspended Sept 2011- June 2012
New York JFK – Berlin Tegel Suspended Sept 2011- June 2012
New York JFK – Copenhagen Suspended Sept 2011- June 2012
New York JFK – Manchester Suspended Sept 2011- June 2012
New York JFK – Stockholm Suspended Sept 2011- June 2012

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Old 09-16-2011 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
We should be careful throwing stones.... An NW A320 landed at Ellsworth afb instead of Rapid City a short few years ago.
Here's the big difference though, a Saab 340 landing at the wrong airport is slower than any of our jets landing at the wrong airport. We simply get the job done faster.

Old 09-16-2011 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Years ago (1987) a Delta mainline crew put a DC 9 into Frankfurt, KY, while looking for CVG! It was at night, in the rain, shooting an NDB approach to CVG, they popped out of the clouds, saw a lit up runway and landed...then it got intersting trying to find the gates! Luckily most of today's airplanes having glass cockpits and magenta lines to follow.
I think it was a 737 and the approach was supposed to be Lexington.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
It was a Saab 340 so I don't think they have a magenta line. Might be wrong because maybe they've added something but my experience is the 340s and E120s of the world are strictly VORs and heading bugs.

From the looks of it there is nothing there to make a magenta line... http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../4/1102486.jpg
The only magenta lines available in the Saabs I used to fly were DME defined radials on a Plan view. When you tuned in a station it would pop up on the plan view and the radial would change when rotating the course selector.

Actually came in pretty helpful when you had more than one DME. Not a moving map by any means, but nice to be able to see the intersection cross radials.

There were one or two guys who swore they could navigate direct to a fix and would try it on occasion, somehow ATC was never amused as the accuracy left much to be desired.
Old 09-16-2011 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
The only magenta lines available in the Saabs I used to fly were DME defined radials on a Plan view. When you tuned in a station it would pop up on the plan view and the radial would change when rotating the course selector.

Actually came in pretty helpful when you had more than one DME. Not a moving map by any means, but nice to be able to see the intersection cross radials.

There were one or two guys who swore they could navigate direct to a fix and would try it on occasion, somehow ATC was never amused as the accuracy left much to be desired.
I always took the headings. But I was in IAH. There was nothing out there. You just go off headings, pick up one VOR and then look at the approach plate and land.

Still wish I had flown the ATR up and down the Hudson VFR.
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