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09-28-2011 | 07:25 PM

#76731

hoserpilot

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From: maddoggy dog

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Originally Posted by Nosmo King

Can we start an L&G office pool? Pick the date when "What are you willing to give up for that?" switches to "Are you willing to strike over that item?"

I am relatively new here and have $?0,000 set aside for a strike fund. My wife wants to spend it!!! Thanks to guys like dal88 who bought all my beer I can afford to fight for higher pay. If we don't need to strike ill buy a couple kegs and some strippers.

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09-28-2011 | 07:29 PM

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From: 767ER capt

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Arbitrator pulled and plugged 350 fNWA guys. NWA side wanted double that. In the first early out program after the SLI came out, 300 guys took it...every one a fNWA guy. The subsequent ones produced another 300 on top of that...nearly all fNWA guys. To date, almost double the amount of pull and plugs are off the combined seniority list.

Carl

600 FNWA guys have taken early outs, yet I've only moved up 140 numbers since the SLI. (I'm at 12% on the list)

It seems to me that the majority of the pull and plug guys are still here, and a large number of guys that took the early outs were fairly junior.

Also, a good friend of mine-- pre merger Delta-- left during the first early out program. He was one of many PMDL to do so.

I don't want to rehash the seniority debate, but I have to raise the BS flag on this post.

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09-28-2011 | 07:33 PM

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I'm pretty sure there were only about 169ish that took the second early out package.

09-28-2011 | 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The data is easily available. For 2010 they averaged 52 block hours per pilot. Delta was at 42. Total pilot costs per block hour flown were 698 at SW and 690 at Delta.

Those are good data points Sailing, especially considering Delta has significantly bigger jets than Southwest that carry more people and go further.

If we flip the numbers around and look at production here's what it looks like:

2010 Production
(for every dollar spent on pilot compensation, heres how many ASMs were produced)

DAL 93.2 $/ASM
SWA 70.6 $/ASM

That means SWA got 32% fewer ASMs from every dollar of pilot pay than Delta did in 2010.

System Total Revenue per ASM:
DAL 12.39¢/ASM
SWA 12.26¢/ASM

Or put another way:
Delta makes about the same money off each ASM as Southwest, yet Delta pilots are providing a 30% subsidy to Delta's pilot portion of CASM. thus enabling inefficiencies in cost in other departments.

Cheers
George

09-28-2011 | 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Also understand that those numbers that are reported on the Form 41 are not rationalized for our international three and four man operations. They are flight block hrs not pilot block hrs, and for that reason, the number are not painting the apples to apples picture.

Let's also not forget all of the DL pilots who spend a month or two in training to transition aircraft every year. That no doubt waters down the average number of hrs flown per pilot. It was mgt's decision to have so many types on property and should thus deal with the costs.

WN pilots have traditionally, up until their merger goes through, gone to training twice in a 30+ yr career. Once as a new hire and again to upgrade if they choose to do so. Recurrent training not withstanding, obviously.

09-28-2011 | 08:11 PM

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What a night of baseball. Wow.

09-28-2011 | 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by newKnow

What a night of baseball. Wow.

The braves blew it. poop.

I blame me actually turning on the tv for the first time this season. Not a big baseball guy, but figured I should tune in for this one.

I turned on the tv, and they lost the lead.

You senior people, what does this tell you about me bidding to an airbus? beware!!!

09-28-2011 | 08:38 PM

#76738

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From: DAL 330

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Originally Posted by scambo1

What text box?

I have a similar sentiment.

How can I do a similar thing?

Scambo,

Throughout the survey after each major section there are blocks where you can write in text to include with your survey.

Speaking of baseball - I have a feeling the Yankees are not too bummed to lose, and have Tampa in the playoffs instead of the Sox.

Scoop

09-28-2011 | 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I think it's time to play this again:

Management: Would you like to have priority over workers who aren't even employed by this company?

Pilot: Yes. I will reduce my pay demand to 20% for that item. Even though there is no cost to that item.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Ima bump dat!!!

09-28-2011 | 10:03 PM

#76740

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The data is easily available. For 2010 they averaged 52 block hours per pilot. Delta was at 42. Total pilot costs per block hour flown were 698 at SW and 690 at Delta.

I'm guessing the vast majority of that differential is because we have 8 or so more fleet types than they do and therefore have way more pilots in training at any given time. That also helps us produce more revenue than they do though, so that helps our case for more pilot compensation not hurt it. Plus I bet we have way more deadheads as well, not sure if that counts towards "pilot block hours" or not but in any case 9 fleet types versus 1 = mass quantities of pilots in training flying zero block hours yet we still pull down more revenue per pilot.

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