Okay, let me re-rack this because I think it's being confused for being pro lower expectations and it's not. What we demand in C12K-9988 is different, I just want to think through the demands.
Example: "We want SWA pay and work rules!" Delta says, sounds good to me! And starts MD'ing and furloughing like mad the next day. Under SWA work rules we're probably massively overstaffed. Whoops.
Retort: "We want SWA pay, work rules and scope!" = closer to what we all want. But still, is that going to work?
See to me numbers are a joke. I get paid probably around $270/hr at Delta Air Lines. I did the math. ATL MD88 B, I make $270/hr. Not bad for MD88 reserve. Too bad I don't make 70 hours at $270/hr.
Are we going to get SWA pay and give up jobs in the process? I mean what work rules are we going for here? And are pilots going to be able to pick up 100 hours of hard flying every month? Are we okay with FedEx/SWA pay rates and a cap of 75 hours to keep jobs?
DAL88 drives that home all the time in that he wants W2 parody. I agree. It's the package not the numbers. But what I fear is pay will cost jobs if this isn't thought through and I'm just trying to think it through because jobs trump pay.
If you said 25% pay raise or 25% growth in the headcount, it's a no brainer, give me the growth. I'll make more money with growth.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Word!
ftb these games are not productive.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I see what you are getting at here, but for the E190 (or equivalent) JB pay scales are the absolute floor in C12K. OK that means contract 12,000 as someone pointed out, but C12 just sounds lame without the K Anyway if we can't profitably operate them here at non union cost slasher ultra low JB rates (as an absolute negotating room floor) then we shouldn't have them. Not to mention the E190 isn't a 100 seater unless you run it all coach, which we wouldn't. We don't even like all coach CRJ-700's anymore. So the E190 is more of a 90 seater anyway.
Sidebar: even the 717, which we call a 117 seater, would seat more in all coach. OTOH they used to be 80 seaters at MidWest airlines.
Anyway: I think where you meant to go with this was that if it came down to status quo on today's outsourcing of the 76 and under seat range, could we rationalize a B scale to get that back, if it was the only way to do so?
Yes. B scales suck, but they suck less than outsourcing. That does not mean you are "advocating" a B scale. It merely means you are willing to accept it to get the work back if that was the only way to get it back.
02-27-2021
