Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-21-2011, 11:02 AM
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09-21-2011, 11:05 AM
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This is where we consult the "pilot surveys" keeping in mind that in no case will anything be less than SWA for domestic and we must keep our current 3/4 pilot metrics even if the FTDT regs gut them to try and pay for regional safety improvements.
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09-21-2011, 11:06 AM
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See, I think you can tell a lot about a person's intentions by listening to what they say and looking at what they do. When we emerged from bankruptcy and the "emergency" was over, I started paying a lot of attention to what DALPA was saying and doing. I expected to see an unmistakable focus on restoring what was taken/we lost/we gave up (however you see it) just before and during bankruptcy. I expected to see that our MEC clearly understood that the cuts we took were NOT a permanent reset of how our profession is compensated. What I saw instead was... well.... basically NOTHING.
And I interpret that (don't know how else you could interpret it) as a tacit admission that our massive concessions were indeed a permanent reset. And in the 4+ years since, I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. Again, if you have something, I'd sure love to see it!Everytime you(or anyone for that matter) posts inaccurate information on what the MEC is trying to do for the pilots, you are attempting to MANAGE EXPECTATIONS. Cut it out! I don't want other posters and the many more lurkers out there to lower their personal bar for the next contract because of your attempts to paint a bleak picture of the leadership!
09-21-2011, 11:13 AM
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Let's see. How about, I'M SAFE(R)?
I - International Flying: Why are our code share partners ordering widebody aircraft while we tout an order for 737-900's to replace some of our 757's and 767's? All this while the new United has 100 747-400's and 777's. Delta has 34. We continue to add foreign carriers while we pull down international in most regions.
M - Money: When a Southwest 737 taxi's by, can we honestly say we make enough money? insert joke about SWA taxi speed here
S - Scope: Do we have tight and enforced scope language? (See next two below) should we grant further scope relief just to help the company get fake debt relief while trusting the same lawyers who were outsmarted by the ancient seperate certificate trick at Republic Air Group of getting it right this time?
A - Alaska Airlines: Why are they expanding 5-6% (while we are shrinking)? and in a "supposedly" no revenue sharing agreement no less. Srsly?
F - Frontier Airlines: Why are they touting themselves as the fastest growing major airline (while we are shrinking)? And subsidizing them while we do it!
E (R) - Enriched Retirement: What can we do to get a better retirement plan? Because, like Scambo said, "Without a pension, an airline job is just a job. Pension being the differentiator for me between a career and a job." That just happened!
I - International Flying: Why are our code share partners ordering widebody aircraft while we tout an order for 737-900's to replace some of our 757's and 767's? All this while the new United has 100 747-400's and 777's. Delta has 34. We continue to add foreign carriers while we pull down international in most regions.
M - Money: When a Southwest 737 taxi's by, can we honestly say we make enough money? insert joke about SWA taxi speed here
S - Scope: Do we have tight and enforced scope language? (See next two below) should we grant further scope relief just to help the company get fake debt relief while trusting the same lawyers who were outsmarted by the ancient seperate certificate trick at Republic Air Group of getting it right this time?
A - Alaska Airlines: Why are they expanding 5-6% (while we are shrinking)? and in a "supposedly" no revenue sharing agreement no less. Srsly?
F - Frontier Airlines: Why are they touting themselves as the fastest growing major airline (while we are shrinking)? And subsidizing them while we do it!
E (R) - Enriched Retirement: What can we do to get a better retirement plan? Because, like Scambo said, "Without a pension, an airline job is just a job. Pension being the differentiator for me between a career and a job." That just happened!
I added a little bit in bold, but otherwise you just Chuck Norris'd that into next week!
09-21-2011, 11:24 AM
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I say jobs.
Say Delta is fine with status quo, but if you sign off on a b scale they'll order e190s and let's say that was 100% accurate verifie by DALPA, DPA, Embraer, the BOD, ESPN and Carl Spackler. B scale and E190s, no b scale and status quo. Which of those two would you pick?
Let me put it this way, pay or jobs?
Sidebar: even the 717, which we call a 117 seater, would seat more in all coach. OTOH they used to be 80 seaters at MidWest airlines.
Anyway: I think where you meant to go with this was that if it came down to status quo on today's outsourcing of the 76 and under seat range, could we rationalize a B scale to get that back, if it was the only way to do so?
Yes. B scales suck, but they suck less than outsourcing. That does not mean you are "advocating" a B scale. It merely means you are willing to accept it to get the work back if that was the only way to get it back.
09-21-2011, 11:32 AM
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I agree here. Instead of apparent shooting LOW to hit already managed expectations, let's go after all areas of the SWA contract, and negotiate from there, above it. SWA doesn't have as many scope problems, so we would have to branch off there and focus on specific scope wants and needs. The survey hasn't been completed yet, but some reps already give expectations in the form of head shakes and winces. That has to stop.
09-21-2011, 11:52 AM
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So I heard ALPA has a new proposal from SWA and is going to let the pilots vote on this one. The kicker?!? it is WORSE than the first proposal. Nice job again ALPA
09-21-2011, 12:05 PM
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This isn't an attack on you, but more me adding my "Atta' boy ALPA, knew you would disappoint, again."
The real victims here are the AT guys, who will never get the settlement they deserve, thanks largely in part to ALPA.
09-21-2011, 12:13 PM
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09-21-2011, 12:18 PM
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Overheard 777 CA (senior, bidding 9 or so<--Dont quote me on the seniority) brag on his beautiful schedule and pay. He also was explaining to my friend that his life was excellent and that his compensation was very good. He looked over 60 but what do I know. I just cringed and decided we needed more Carls at the top of the list.
I have a feeling there are some old timers that do not want to disrupt their final years. Truly Sad because these old timers where the first ones to congratulate the outgoing age 60 retirees.
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I have a feeling there are some old timers that do not want to disrupt their final years. Truly Sad because these old timers where the first ones to congratulate the outgoing age 60 retirees.
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