So when do the official negotiations between the DAL pilot group and DAL management begin? I have read that this current contract is up in 2013. Just wondering when it all start happening

 

Negotiations are permitted to open 6 months prior to *amendable* date. Amendable date = Jan. 1st, 2013
Open for Negotiation = July 1st, 2012

*Keep in mind amendable, and expiration date have two separate meanings. Under the RLA, we have the possibility to be in negotiations much past the "amendable" date, due to their not being a provision for our contract expiring.

Fly safe,

GJ

 

The contract becomes amendable on Dec. 31, 2012. I believe negotiations can start 270 days prior to that date.

On another note, the contract survey is out!!!

Denny

 

Look at your timecard. Training is pay/no credit. Add your reserve guarantee and the 9:45, if it was for 3 days, to get your total pay.

If I remember correctly, they take the daily reserve guarantee and subtract it from your 70 hour guarantee (because you are not on reserve those days) and then add the time for training.

Denny

 

Denny,

You're more than likely correct about opening negotiations 270 days prior. My bad, I thought it was 180.

I'll just go back to my coloring book, and thick Crayons now.

Thanks,

GJ

 

It's not always easy to remember that last year, the worlds airlines posted an all time record profit. Although the next few years will likely fall a bit short of that due to fuel costs, we are still looking at solidly profitable growth, mostly due to the increasing population of the world's cities. DL is in a great position to capture this growth with the global network we have built. Good thing to keep in mind for contract talks...

Business travel

Gulliver

The aviation industry

Flying above the clouds

Sep 20th 2011, 16:04 by P.C.



MANY industries have good reason for caution at the moment, given the fears of a "double dip" in the world economy. But the mood in aviation, especially among the aircraftmakers, remains optimistic. This week Airbus produced new long-range forecasts, predicting that a combination of vigorous emerging-market growth and the need to replace ageing and inefficient planes in the rich countries will mean a demand, between now and 2030, for almost 28,000 large aircraft (passenger planes with over 100 seats, plus freighters) worth $3.5 trillion. Airbus's archrival, Boeing, is even more boosterish: it predicted earlier this month that there would be demand for around 31,000 planes, worth $4 trillion, by 2030. Both planemakers are already seeing signs of this in their bulging order books.
The aircraftmakers' confidence about the emerging world is based on what appears to be an iron law of aviation: rising numbers of urban middle-class people will mean rising demand for air travel, whatever short-term blips the economy suffers. Since the 1970s, through oil shocks, Middle East wars, terrorist attacks and disease outbreaks, the number of passenger-miles flown seems always to have snapped back to its long-term growth trend (see chart 1). At the moment Airbus reckons there are 39 "megacities" worldwide whose airports handle more than 10,000 long-haul passengers a day. In 20 years it expects there to be almost 90 such cities, many of them in Asia. In terms of the numbers of very large aircraft (like the A380) that they handle, the world's busiest hubs by then will be Dubai, Beijing Capital and Hong Kong, with Heathrow and JFK in fourth and fifth place.
There is still plenty of room for growth in the rich world too, but a second important driver of demand for new planes in these countries will be airlines' desire to save on fuel and maintenance costs, especially as new taxes on emissions come into force, by swapping their old crates for shiny new planes. Airbus points out that the industry has already been doing pretty well on this score: in the past ten years, passenger-miles flown have risen by 45% but the airlines' use of jet fuel has gone up by just 3%. In large part that is because of more efficient aircraft, and there are more such gains to come. Airbus says the re-engined "neo" version of its single-aisle A320 plane, due to fly in late 2015, will burn 15% less fuel than the current version. New engine designs and greater use of lighter composite materials in aircraft frames will mean even greater gains in efficiency.

Packing them in
Another reason for the airlines' greater fuel efficiency in recent years has been that they have been steadily getting better at filling their planes. Of all the many charts that flashed by during Airbus's presentation on Monday, the one that most caught my eye was this one (chart 2), showing how planes were typically only half-full in the 1960s but now fly with more than three-quarters of the seats occupied. Surely there is scope for further improvement in the coming years, as long as the airlines do not let their capacity get too far ahead of demand. As passengers clamour for seats, airlines will switch to ever bigger planes, which are more fuel-efficient than smaller ones. Singapore Airlines, the launch customer for the giant A380, is said to be filling over 80% of the available seats on it.

So the long-term future for aviation looks bright. As for the short term, IATA, the body that represents almost all of the world's scheduled airlines, said on September 20th that air travel was holding up unexpectedly well despite the worsening economic worries and continuing high fuel prices. It expects the number of passenger-miles flown to increase by almost 6% this year, whereas back in June it was expecting only 4.4% growth. As a result, IATA expects airlines to make combined net profits this year of just under $7 billion, compared with the $4 billion forecast in June.

Whether this is cause for celebration or a shrugging of the shoulders depends on how you look at it. IATA points out that this year's expected profits represent a slender 1.2% margin on the airlines' combined revenues of almost $600 billion. This year's $7 billion is a sizeable fall from last year's record profits of almost $16 billion, and IATA expects a further reduction in 2012, to around $5 billion. On the other hand, airlines have been such chronically poor financial performers—they lost money in seven of the last ten years—that to clock up any sort of profit in current conditions seems an achievement by comparison.

 

GJ,

Section 28 of the contract says:

by either party hereto at least 60 days but no more than 270 days prior to

December 31, 2012 or December 31st in any year thereafter

Denny

 

SECTION 28
DURATION
A. Effective Date and Duration
Except as expressly provided otherwise, this agreement will become effective on October 30,
2008, will continue in full force and effect through December 31, 2012, and will renew itself
without change through each succeeding December 31

mediation services.

 

Yeah, it's a bummer, you don't get 70.

You get more like 72:15

 

That's your other "full time job"!!!