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Old 09-23-2011 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Is it important to try to get extra insurance for retiring pilots prior to Medicare age? I think so. A lot of the geezers still flying don't want to pay cobra prices for them and their spouse. I say help them out until Medicare age, and then no more. It hopefully would increase geezers going out the door where they should be already, golfing in Flar-i-dah.

Just my opinion here, but isnt DAL big enough to self insure? Yes

Does DAL self insure? Yes

UHC administers DALs insurance program

Health insurance improvements are a no cost item which structured as they are put a price tag on the insurance. It is really no different that the fee for departure contracts outsourced to DCI. We bear the cost, but charge ourselves for the program to make the books prettier.

I repeat, no cost to change the system. However, an accountant could/would disagree.

There will be a short countdown after which I will be told how oh so wrong I am.
Old 09-23-2011 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Just my opinion here, but isnt DAL big enough to self insure? Yes

Does DAL self insure? Yes

UHC administers DALs insurance program

Health insurance improvements are a no cost item which structured as they are put a price tag on the insurance. It is really no different that the fee for departure contracts outsourced to DCI. We bear the cost, but charge ourselves for the program to make the books prettier.

I repeat, no cost to change the system. However, an accountant could/would disagree.

There will be a short countdown after which I will be told how oh so wrong I am.
Why? Is your wife looking over your shoulder?

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Old 09-23-2011 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Haven't gotten to the actual survey yet because I'm still shaking my head over this part of the email:


Note: Questions 28 and 29 concern pay rate increases and ask you to enter a number. You should answer each question with a two-digit number, e.g. express 5% as 05, 12% as 12, etc.



Don't you just love DALPA's template? The fact that they even talk about how to express a single digit pay rate increase is ridiculous enough. But what example do they use for a two digit pay rate increase?...12%! Not 50%, not 80%? What about how to input a three digit desire?


If you don't think DALPA has already decided what they hope we'll demand, you're kidding yourself. DALPA is in full expectations management mode to ensure they can show that their minimalistic desires are really what the pilots wanted too.




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That is hella sad. Wow. I guess we can always compromise between 12, the high water mark, and 7, the constructive engagement target range, and end up with 9.5%....over the course of 5 years. Um, not! (Do people still say that? "Not!" after saying something they disagree with?)

Although I think you may be attacking ALPA unfairly on this one. I think they will gladly fight for 30, 50 or more percent raise, all the way up to 99% if that's what we want. You notice that you can't put in a triple digit number? There is a reason for that:

Whatever double digit percentage we put in we will get!!!!!!!!!! The catch is that same percentage will be the amount of current flying that we can further outsource. You know, cause airlines all the sudden can't buy planes anymore because of the debt, so we need to outsource them to fake airlines that take that debt with their only collateral being our long term iron clad co-signature on "their" loan.

So 99% raise means we get to keep 1% of our current flying. 30% raise means we only have to outsource 30 more percent of our flying, what a deal!
Old 09-23-2011 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The DPA is being silly. First of all, a large percentage (majority?) of Delta's outsourced small jet flying is not performed by ALPA members. Secondly, in addition to the cost of recovering flying (if there is any) there is a very real cost in breaking a long term contract. Third, we don't desire a reduction in the number of jets flying, we desire an increase in the flying performed by Delta pilots. Parking three RJ's which results in the parking of a 767 does not do anyone good. What we need is to get away from this "CRJ bad" "717 good" thinking when in reality they are both airplanes designed for the same market and should be flown by pilots on one mainline list.

The DPA is building on their false platform with a meaningless demand.

Jabberwock stated it perfectly.
You wouldn't understand Bar, because you're convinced there is no conflict of interest within ALPA. But for those with an actual pair of open eyes, this request of DPA actually serves a very clear purpose. This request will appear in thousands of surveys. When no such contract demand shows up in the opener, it will show everyone that DALPA could not put this in the opener because it couldn't withstand the process of consulting with our regional competitors. And it couldn't withstand the role ALPA's president plays in scrubbing our scope language.

This is of course only the case for those of us crippled by having an association with ALPA.

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Old 09-23-2011 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil

Why? Is your wife looking over your shoulder?
Orvil, the mkt has a case of the fridays. I suspect it will close where it opened. I am eyeballin ERX as a buy and hold realizing it may go lower. Thats my fuel hedging plan. Thinkin 30.72-30.92 prior to the close.

I'm not posting this for anyone to take personal action or as a recommendation. DYODD.

If I buy, I'll let cha know so everyone can see how badly i screwed up.

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Old 09-23-2011 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Hey, a little tofu with a drizzle of aged balsamic and extra virgin olive oil pairs well with a crisp Pinot Grigio with fruity undertones.
Blah blah blah, fruity underwear what?
Old 09-23-2011 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Just my opinion here, but isnt DAL big enough to self insure? Yes

Does DAL self insure? Yes

UHC administers DALs insurance program

Health insurance improvements are a no cost item which structured as they are put a price tag on the insurance. It is really no different that the fee for departure contracts outsourced to DCI. We bear the cost, but charge ourselves for the program to make the books prettier.

I repeat, no cost to change the system. However, an accountant could/would disagree.

There will be a short countdown after which I will be told how oh so wrong I am.
Spot on 100% correct!

Carl
Old 09-23-2011 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Buzz;

Do you wear eurotrash glasses? You know like ted danson.
No, I have to draw the line somewhere (and I hate Ted Danson).
Old 09-23-2011 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
No, I have to draw the line somewhere (and I hate Ted Danson).

Okay;

Jeff Goldblum?
Old 09-23-2011 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Hey, a little tofu with a drizzle of aged balsamic and extra virgin olive oil pairs well with a crisp Pinot Grigio with fruity undertones.
White wine is for girls . I think balsamic and aolive oil go much better with bufalo and some fresh tomato(e?) slices though.. maybe a little basil?
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