Buzz,

This is a pilot forum. Please use English.

 

He's speaking Californian

 

This ^^^^

Additionally, was it or was it not promised to have a comparison to our Sky Team partners Air France, KLM, etc. PRIOR to having the survey?

I remember the quote from ACL somewhere along the lines of "they are busy translating it but it takes time."

Remember THIS. Those that are on FPL at 92 hours a month on the HIGHEST seat they can HOLD, plus an additional $1000.00 a month stipend have not had a put cut in effect. What were the max and min guarantee again this month and next? Finally, THEY are paid by Delta.

This has been noted before in history, You used to have the "help" that worked in the fields and those that worked in the house. The ones that worked in the house had obvious benefits above those that worked in the fields. No one that worked in the house would want to upset the apple cart. They would use whatever influence necessary to keep status quo.

Sound familiar??

Hence, DALPA's actions.

 

#27 on the survey:

I request the DAL MEC pursue a 20% reduction in allowable regional carrier airframes that are capable of, or currently contain, 70 or more seats to be completed within no later than two years from the date of signing of our next contract.


If ALPA can even legally ask for that without being sued by other ALPA DCI carriers... We will see!

 

It also used UAL CAL USAIR and AA's expired bankrupcy contracts...

 

Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
♦ 2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year1
♦ 2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B2
♦ Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
• 32.5% Pay Cut - 29.5% adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
• Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
• Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
• International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
• Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
• Lost 6th week of Vacation
• Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
• Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
• Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
• Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
♦ Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders3: (a few more highlights)
• 15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
• 12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
• Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
• Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
• Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
• Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
• Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
• Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
• Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
♦ Delta carries 160 million passengers per year4
♦ Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip5
♦ Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 20106
♦ A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passenger!
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
♦ Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
1 DALPA 2011 Contract History
2 AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
3 DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
4 Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
5 J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
6 AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11

 

When did this survey come out? Is it for everyone to take or just sent to people at random.
I looked for it on the ALPA but could not find it.

Thanks
BFS

 

Contract Survey is indeed out! Its on the DALPA site. Let 'er rip boyz!

 

Why the pansy, lacy waist, nut less "request." Instead of something arbitrary, why not something based on sound principle ... like

In order to restore unity, provide for career protection, advancement, opportunity and the growth of Delta Air Lines, I demand my union's stated goal be that ALL Delta flying be performed by Delta pilots. Joint Ventures and code shares will be submitted individually to the MEC and open to membership ratification, but in no case will Delta allow operations where the Delta seats on any flight exceed 50% of that flights total passenger load and Delta pilots operate at least 50% of the code share flying. ANY NEW FLIGHT OPERATIONS UNDERTAKEN BY DELTA, a parent corporate structure which includes Delta Airlines, any successor Company, or any subsidiary, or affiliate, WILL BE FLOWN BY DELTA PILOTS.

 

Be sure our legal experts at ALPA include the official definitions of:

Reduction?
Allowable?
Regional?
Carrier?
Capable?
Currently?
Seats?

And does two years mean 24 months, or 730 days, or two full years in addition to the year in which the new contract is signed?