newKnow

No day off and, as far as he can tell, no pay on top of guarantee, for him.

This guy was still at home when he got the cancellation call, and guys were signed in at the airport, so maybe that's the difference.

Timbo

I don't say this to many guys but...

Nice Beaver!

sailingfun

When we had a real cap your pay in a month could not exceed the cap unless you had a GS. If the cap was 75 hours and your actual credit for the month ended up being 82 hours you only got paid for 75. The 7 extra hours rolled over into next month. When you reached a point where they could drop the shortest trip on your line in a month and not put you below the cap then that drop was mandatory and automatic. So if you carried in 12 hours in bow wave and your line was 74 hours with a 10 hour two day as one of the trips you were now projected at 86 with the bow wave. The two day trip would have to be dropped and you would then have 76 hours. This automatic trip drop also applied in the current month to reroutes ect.. that generated extra time. I once had a 1 day trip turn into 7 days. All the credit caused the rest of my trips that month to be dropped.
In conjunction with Bow Wave we had spillback. If you had a month you did not feel like working a lot you could take any trip in the following month departing before the 10th and spill it back to the previous month to fill that month up. You could then pick up more that month. A nice feature when you wanted to build some big off time blocks.
The beauty of bow waves is that it removed all incentive to try and work more unless it was a GS. Back then we used 14 to 15 pilots per narrow body aircraft. Today its 11 to 12 and the aircraft utilization is up. Jobs are way down.

fisherpilot

I took my wife to SEA for our anniversary last month and went by Kenmore Air's Lake Union terminal. While watching them launch out I told her "I just love Beavers"............... She just rolled her eyes!

Timbo

Nice!

I used to walk up there on my SEA layovers just to watch them come and go. The turbine ones were cool but I just love the sound of a radial.

SEA was always one of my favorite layovers but I haven't been there in years. I would also take a bus over the bridge to the Freemont area, to a really nice acoustic guitar store called Dusty Strings, they let me play with their toys, which was fun, and right across the street there was a very good pub called, The Red Door (if I remember correctly). Is that place still there? It's where I had my first Red Hook brew.

Timbo

Here's the quick "Math for Morons" on manning and caps. If the cap was 75, and then everyone can fly another 7.5 hours (10%), if all 12,000 of us did that, the company will need 10% fewer pilots, which is 1,200 fewer, or just knock off the bottom 10% in every category and the bottom 1,200 go out the door.

Anyone still think trip parking is a good deal?

fisherpilot

Since I'm wanting to come to DAL my vote is for the opposite (even though my vote doesn't count). I'd love to see the need to hire an additional 1200!

hockeypilot44

I'm amazed how many pilots want to fly to the FAR limits. We're our own worst enemies. I like the old way sailingfun is talking about. Everyone gets paid 75 hours per month unless you greenslip. You can fly more if you want, but it just gets banked so you will have to fly less sometime later. I love that idea. For some reason, pilots don't think of the consequences of everyone flying max schedules. It requires less pilots which means everyone is on lesser paying equipment working more for less money.

sailingfun

Exactly! Just one simple change in the current contract could add 800 to 1000 pilots to the list. Vacation changed from pay only to pay and credit.

Timbo

I would not allow green slips either, hire more reserves.