Roughly between 195 and 434 based on the seniority calculator on the DALPA website.

There could be up to 500 that can take it, but not sure if many will.

If you wanted to go, this is a good excuse to go, but it is not something that will make you decide to go.

Printing on the Laser printer as I type! ;)

I will just address this because the rest was a hill of beans. If we choose to go in house, the only group they will represent is DELTA mainline and 100% of our dues will be invested in our interests. It works well for American and Southwest, I don't see why you are so negative. No need to bring up USAPA because that does not apply here.

If you are going to blow hard on the North vs South trumpet, you might want to go back in time and blow it there, the rest of us have moved on. Please, if you have something worth mentioning we'd love to hear it.

It seems like you were "extra" sensitive about the post, let me guess, you are one of the few that didn't get the memo and still rock the stache.

I think having our own in house union is a great idea! Our dues to represent mainline Delta interests!

AA and CAL have the best scope in the industry. CAL's scope was negotiated under the IACP before the days of ALPA. The best scope sections in the industry are non-ALPA or formerly non-ALPA groups. The worst scope language sections in the industry proudly belong to the ALPA represented mainline carriers. There is not just a conflict of interest here, there is a HUGE conflict of interest. Either the mainline carriers need to leave ALPA or ALPA needs to show the regional carriers the door and let the Teamsters represent them. I say the regionals go and we stay.

Captain Crunch - not trying to show disrespect, just pointing out the merger went much better than the way other mergers have gone for minority pilot groups who had to deal with in house representation. Certainly not being negative, just asking folks to confirm they have their hand on the correct fire handle before they pull.

• Have the regional pilots ever had any input on a mainline contract?
• Have they ever ratified, or voted on a mainline scope clause?
• Can you think of one example where the "conflict of interest" caused mainline to give up scope?

Why do we think a new union would fix scope when we control the union now and OUR REPS and WE have voted in favor of plans outsource our work?

I'd be the first to lead an ALPA card burning party at my house if it would fix scope, but there is no reason to think that going in house would change anything.

Our problem has not been the conflict of interest at the national level as much as it has been the self interest at the local level. It is too easy for local negotiating groups to be distracted by some shiny trinket management offers a slice of the seniority list, or get pressured by the need to show some good news at the expense of selling scope VERY cheaply. If anything, national has been using the limited power of their bully pulpit to say we need more unity and contract restoration.

I think I have said this before, but in doing some spring cleaning, I found a 1991 ALPA magazine, and do you know what the title was? "Restoring Our Profession"... I think that pretty much says it all. We have been "restoring the profession" for all but about 24 months that I have been a member. I am really starting to think that if I wasn't FORCED to be a member, I wouldn't... All that being said, I cannot believe that I am actually agreeing with Cap'nCrunch. :eek:

Am I the only one that finds this odd? The new technology 100 seat aircraft isn't even on the radar screen of Boeing or Airbus and if it was, how long would it take to make it to the line when it isn't even on paper? 2018-2020 perhaps? Both companies are tied up with the 380, 350, 787, 747-800. Do these companies even have the resources to put a major push on for these airframes? Yes, I know they have had a couple of study groups, but they have been dissolved. Now it seems that Sukhoi, Mitsubishi, Bombardier, Embraer are all hot and excited about this 90-130 seat market. Image; Wolf lick jowls.

I'm not sure the DC-9's are going to make it to 2018-2020. How are going to replace those aircraft when they drop dead? Are we going to replace these aircraft?

Our guys don't know anything about RAH's EMB-190's? :eek:Come on! The top management of the worlds largest airline and they don't know what's going on inside our industry? Maybe they were just having a bad day and being forgetful? Pick up a Aviation Week guys. Google airline industry news. I know you're busy, but I know you can do it! I have faith in you! We love you guys!!!!!! You're doing a great job running the the largest airline in the world, but maybe go to the Paris airshow and see what's out there!!!!

O.K. I feel better now!:D

The replacements are called "up to 255 70 seat RJ's". The waiting on new technology from Boeing and AB is BS.

This is all about that damn carrot Mngt. keeps putting in front of the Delta pilots. Too bad we keep following.
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