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Originally Posted by Bigflya
(Post 711056)
Interesting rumor being put out by the DGS guys in the ATL training center. Not sure if its hit these boards yet. DAL may get SOC on-time but with some conditions. The biggest being that the pilots will not be able to cross fleet until everyone goes through a recurrent with a syllabus heavily ephasizing CRM. Supposedly the Feds are all over the training facility and see that North and South cockpits are run two different ways. That disturbs them but they may or may not have enough power to stop the train. Also, since the syllabus has to be created it probably would not start until June, the month the new annual recurrent syllabus is started. That means a few things: 1)No joint bid for 1.5 yrs and 2) When the co moves metal it will be only N/S guys bidding their "former" metal. I do not see the co objecting too much to this because it will drastically cut the training costs that could occur from a joint post-SOC bid. Supposedly a full initial is $60k per pilot. Just another of a long line of rumors but it is as believable as others.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 711055)
Add to it that a 330A could state that he would take the 320A in MSP in a VD so he is displaced allowing a 320A that was willing to take the 330B in MSP and as a result will allow a 330B to get MDed. Also a 320a/b guy that is surplussed in MSP could bid anything, but could also bump guys off other jets in MSP.
I would suggest that every pilot put in a AE for where they want to be, and a MD for where they would be if they have the slightest chance of getting bumped. My bid sheet has 95 spots on it in all of the bases. I do it by percentage, not number or line holder. If you want to be somewhere put in a VD as it will incur a seat lock. The second highlight is also a very good idea and every one should have these in as a standing bid just in case. Denny |
Heyas,
I wouldn't discount a huge inrush to NYC. There are a LOT of guys from the old NWA NYC and BOS bases that still live there or around the area: PA 76 NJ 29 MD 18 CT 24 NH 49 NY 47 MA 40 VT 7 RI 5 Many of these guys are relatively senior, and see the juniority of NYC as an added bonus. Most of these guys commute to DTW, so you will probably see DTW get more junior as time goes on. Nu |
Hey ACL, did we ever figure out how a "New Category" is defined? I'm assuming to the companies benefit, it would be any category that did not exist in the individual companies prior to SOC, e.i., SLC320 or MSP88. Although MEMDC9 seems like a new category to me, I would imagine contractually the company and DALPA would not consider this so? What's the read on this out there? Have not found this in print.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 711082)
I wouldn't discount a huge inrush to NYC. There are a LOT of guys from the old NWA NYC and BOS bases that still live there or around the area...
I only hope they do their homework, and understand both the good and the bad that comes with New York. If I mention the bad, it'll sound like I'm trying to influence, so I won't. But I hope that people who bid into a base that's new to them will have the courtesy to spare everyone else the indignation over such small items as restroom sinks that don't come equipped with faucets, computer screens that cause your eyes to bleed, etc. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 711055)
Lets say they are bi-polar and decide to do nothing besides the 320/90 swap. That alone will send shock waves throughout the system.
The 320 in MSP will be surplussed in MSP and AEed in SLC. The 90 will be surplussed in SLC and AEed in MSP. That alone will create a ton of displacements and entitlements. Those jets are not fenced so a 320 driver in MSP could VD ATL 7ERA which would trigger the bottom 7ERA to get MDed to the 73NA and so on and so forth. Add to it that a 330A could state that he would take the 320A in MSP in a VD so he is displaced allowing a 320A that was willing to take the 330B in MSP and as a result will allow a 330B to get MDed. Also a 320a/b guy that is surplussed in MSP could bid anything, but could also bump guys off other jets in MSP. Point is that there is a ton of training and base movement that will go on with just that. Open up surpluses(displacements) and AE's (openings) in other parts of the system, and a lot of pilots with any seniority will be able to do what they want with a little work. . |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 711060)
They may want that, but I have not heard that. It is plausible, but if we are all working off the same publications it is going to be real hard to force that.
The company is going to have to spend money one way or another on this bid. Add to it that I talked to a lot of the dudes that make these decisions and there was not one that even mentioned this over the last few days. It was not even on their radar. They do get surprised, but if it has been going around for some time, then it is a low level rumor. |
Originally Posted by 1234
(Post 711077)
I find this hard to believe. Not saying it isn't possible, but hard to believe. Also, as of phase 4, we operate the metal the same way whether on the N or S side (I think the only thing really left to change is AWABS?? and dispatch release). The N side is just completing phase 2 of the indoc on-line. I would ask the DGS and Feds "What are the 2 different ways in which the aircraft are operated differently (with specifics)? The N 757 guys are currently going through 767 differences in ATL as we speak. Nice rumor, depending where you sit, but I don't put much credence in it.
Apparently the only real issues they are having with N/S standardization are the N guys learning how to balance the workload with the new PF/PM switchoff. It's "suggested" (hint hint ;)) that CA's do the walkaround when practical (i.e. not raining, snowing, or anything other than warm and sunny, haha) to help relieve the FO's workload when they are PF. Coming from experience, it sure does help if the CA does the walkaround before a transcon leg. Loading all the waypoints and winds plus walking around can be a real time crunch on a 50 minute hub turn with an aircraft swap. Also, they are still observing some CA's always doing the WARTS brief instead of the PF doing it. CA's are only to augment the abnormals section and add anything that is needed after the briefing is complete. As far as the south side- more stuff will be coming out in regards to DAL60. They were accepted into ASAP and information will be sent out accordingly. Fatigue and optical illusions are key words... |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 711097)
As far as the south side- more stuff will be coming out in regards to DAL60. They were accepted into ASAP and information will be sent out accordingly. Fatigue and optical illusions are key words... There is a lot that went in to this, and it will be a learning experience for all of us. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 711079)
Not quite sure what you mean here but a 330A cannot take a 320A's displacement thru a VD from the 320's category. Now if you are saying the 330A would take a VD out of his own category to the 320A thus bumping a 320A out, then I agree.
The second highlight is also a very good idea and every one should have these in as a standing bid just in case. Denny |
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