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Old 10-05-2011 | 05:10 AM
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Old 10-05-2011 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Sorry for missing it earlier johnso29. Yes there have been. At NWA we negotiated a snapback after our givebacks in the 90's. When the time came for our wages to snap back, the company denied that the snapback really meant that wages should snap back, so we took them to court and won. 3 or 4% snapbacks if my memory serves.

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Thanks Carl. I think my question got lost in the heat of battle.
Old 10-05-2011 | 06:31 AM
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I'm planning on golfing in SA on one of my next trips. Are you able to check a bag when you are working a trip? I know TSA is inconsistent from airport to airport with some of the security rules as far as carry-on clubs for crew. Is there any way to get your clubs somewhere internationally?
Old 10-05-2011 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Sorry for missing it earlier johnso29. Yes there have been. At NWA we negotiated a snapback after our givebacks in the 90's. When the time came for our wages to snap back, the company denied that the snapback really meant that wages should snap back, so we took them to court and won. 3 or 4% snapbacks if my memory serves.

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I kind of like snap backs or snap ups better than profit sharing.

Profit sharing sounds good, kind of like a commission check, but you don't get commission checks working an assembly line because you didn't do anything other than QC that screw you turned.

I'd rather have a snap up to a different pay rate or override depending on certain scenarios. And it's pay, not a one time check.

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Speaking of pay, group thoughts on going back to premium pay over 80 hours? Pro's and con's?
Old 10-05-2011 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I kind of like snap backs or snap ups better than profit sharing.

Profit sharing sounds good, kind of like a commission check, but you don't get commission checks working an assembly line because you didn't do anything other than QC that screw you turned.

I'd rather have a snap up to a different pay rate or override depending on certain scenarios. And it's pay, not a one time check.

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Speaking of pay, group thoughts on going back to premium pay over 80 hours? Pro's and con's?

Personally I like premium pay over 75 hrs...as a small piece of work rule changes/ improvements. I dont see much downside (combined with fixing trip parking) and I think it is something of a furlough mitigator or said another way junior guy protection.
Old 10-05-2011 | 07:06 AM
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MEM DC9 Category to be closed next AE per Crew Resources Nov update.
Old 10-05-2011 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Personally I like premium pay over 75 hrs...as a small piece of work rule changes/ improvements. I dont see much downside (combined with fixing trip parking) and I think it is something of a furlough mitigator or said another way junior guy protection.
Spot on Scambo!

Not only is there little downside, but it gives more people access to "premium" pay without having to "game the system".

Greenslips would still exist and offer the same potential as before.

Payrates and workrules is how we need to make our 70-75 hours pay.
Nobody should have to fly over 75 to try to "recoup" pay.

Again, lots of chaff out there, like what it cost/hour for a delta pilot.
There is no investor conference where pilot cost/hour is a metric.

We have augmented crews and initial training when switching fleets/seats. Delta spends a lot of money on pilots not producing ASMs; and yet the Delta pilot portion of CASM is 30% below Southwest's.

Offer the company savings by having pay-banding and there is lots of headroom in the financials.

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Old 10-05-2011 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
MEM DC9 Category to be closed next AE per Crew Resources Nov update.
Not unexpected.
Old 10-05-2011 | 08:00 AM
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How does our staffing level get affected by closing DC9 Mem, and surpluses on NYC M88? Hiring? Neutral? Big moves anticipated, or not so much?
Old 10-05-2011 | 08:18 AM
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MEM DC9 Category to be closed next AE per Crew Resources Nov update.
Interesting update... lots of charter ops coming up for 330 and 744 guys. Also, says we are going to fly the 744 ATL-LAX and ATL-DFW. Should help with the DFW-ATL commute, although I have to wonder if it's not a typo and they meant ATL-DTW, which would make more sense because they probably need repositioning flights like they've been doing with the 777.

Okay, after looking at the bid pack, it really isn't much domestic 744 flying. Just a couple of flights to LAX, and a dozen or so charters from ATL-DFW.

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