Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1074072)

HI would be a lot of good and a little bad. Over all a winner. They would buff our Pacific network even more, common fleet, foot in the door for 717's, and of course we would be the leaders in the HI market going both directions.

If AK was gobbled up by someone else, or C2012 ended the code share abuse and AK took their toys and went home (highly unlikely) we would have to overfly the key portions of their network with at least partial frequency. No more mythical excuses that no one except AK (and SWA and VX and SKYW for several different airlines) can dare fly up and down the legendary, impossible to compete in, zero yield west coast.

In any case, the number of pilots there is so few and what they would bring to our network so disproportionately greater, the SLI would be pretty painless and quick. Probably very close to a ratio and only a few fences here and there. I just hope it happens before they buff their list 20-30% by running just a few classes real quick.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1074119)

Just trying to grasp some of this, mostly the bold part.

I am guessing this was the chief pilot powwow, not the union roadshow?

Anyone with more info to add?

This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.

Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 1074127)

This was from the LCA meeting. That's essentially the tone of his comments but remember he is an attorney!

Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1074108)

Did my survey as soon as it came out! Come on guys...

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1074119)

Just trying to grasp some of this, mostly the bold part.

I am guessing this was the chief pilot powwow, not the union roadshow?

Anyone with more info to add?

This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1074138)

Just did a 7 day mil charter trip... Charter coordinator said to expect a lot more, and that the company is bending over backwards looking for ways to fill all the requests for more from the govt. supposedly delta has made almost 300 mil this year on mil charters.

Oh, and the WRO layover is awesome.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1074122)

Talked to a buddy of mine on the phone yesterday...his words:

"I wont waste 5 minutes of my time let alone one hour to do anything for ALPA. They wont listen and I want them gone yesterday. They already have their contract plans set and I'd be shocked if we got a 15% raise. Scope recapture...never, not from ALPA. If we didn't have agency shop, alpa membership would be less than 30%."

Again his words, a DALs, mid seniority pilot...his perspective.

Coming from him, I was actually very surprised to hear him speak so passionately and bluntly about his ALPA dissatisfaction.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1074141)

It is what we want to hear. Particularly the lie about "we have not found a suitable 100 seat airframe." This lie has been often repeated while, in fact, they have been buying 100 seat airframes (configured with 76 seats) for several years now and have bought hundreds of them.

The CRJ700/900 and E175 have MD88/90, 737-700, A319/320 economics and similar cost per seat mile statistics. We need to realize that our contract does not have a 76 seat cap, as much as it has a 160 seat floor. As long as we allow management to outsource our small jet flying and our large jet flying (AF/KLM JV) they'll continue to grow their operation while simply leaving us behind.

I know we pilots are well educated far beyond our intelligence and aren't likely to blurt out "LIAR" at a road show ... but maybe someone could respectfully ask "what is Delta's core business?" The follow up question should be, "then why do we make such great effort to avoid doing any flying ourselves?"

New marketing slogan ... "Delta we're pigeons ... we don't fly unless there's no other choice."