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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1074072)

HI would be a lot of good and a little bad. Over all a winner. They would buff our Pacific network even more, common fleet, foot in the door for 717's, and of course we would be the leaders in the HI market going both directions.

In any case, the number of pilots there is so few and what they would bring to our network so disproportionately greater, the SLI would be pretty painless and quick. Probably very close to a ratio and only a few fences here and there. I just hope it happens before they buff their list 20-30% by running just a few classes real quick.

IMO, HA guys would make out well in an integration. They have more wide-bodies than narrow-bodies (23 to 15 on APC). I think overall it would lead to more stagnation for the part of our list that has been stagnated the most. I have a good friend at HA who is a 40 year old A-330 Captain :eek:. 500+ guys would probably be placed above me, especially when they get done with their hiring and I'm a 12 year FO at Delta. I agree with you that I would rather it be HI than other airlines, however it would lead to more stagnation by putting some very young guys at the top of our list. The reality for those of us who have stagnated and grown older, no merger is going to be pretty with any carrier that has grown even a small amount. Most of the carriers I've heard in rumors regarding mergers have younger pilots with advantageous relative seniority. In the case of HA, they would be bringing some very quality people and bases. Maybe I'll get to throw the gear for my HA braddah :D. Howzit Bully?

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1074156)

Shiz,

I'm talking economics. We have given management a CHOICE and the basis for that decision is mostly cost per seat mile. By allowing an airplane with mainline economics to be outsourced, we have to compete with those we allow to operate, for our flying.

Management is not going to buy a 100 / 120 / 140 jet to replace our DC9's as long as they have access to the CRJ and EMB fleets operated off property. They've bought 255 DC9/B727 replacements.

I simply wish management would man up and tell us the truth, just as Doug Steenland used to. I'm tired of being lied to with "we have not found a suitable 100 seat airplane" and all the pilots go "ohhh (scratch nuts) ohh kay, duh." I'd like just one in the crowd to say:

Frau Farbissina: Lies, ALL LIES! - YouTube

Ahhh, I see what you are implying...

It is an "economic floor" around 160 seats.......

I know my survey is scope, scope and more scope......The rest of the PWA is worthless without protecting the flying.

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Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1074038)

Hi FTB,
Dear Lord, I sincerely hope you are WAAAAY off base. At the MEM road-show last week, T.O. (or one of the other guys) indicated that it was something in the 6K range of guys who'd responded to date. If that's the best we get in the way of survey returns, man, are we ever going to get @#!$%-slapped on C2012. You'll have a hard time ever finding a guy who would admit to NOT filling out the survey. If 7K pilots is all we get interested in the process, I don't even want to contemplate what our next contract will look like.
Chuck

I wouldn't worry too much about the survey return numbers.
Historically, the Delta pilot group has a very significant level of "under participation". We have a huge "silent contingent". Whether it is surveys or LEC elections.

Its not that they are dumb, they definitely are not, but they just have other things they concentrate on in life. (side businesses, recreation, family, whatever) They prefer not to waste brain cells on any ALPA/Contract type issues. They actively avoid becoming too informed.

You don't necessarily want those guys filling out the surveys.

This is not to say they are somehow anti-labor or pro-management. They will be at our side if the union ever calls for a job action. But they will also not agitate independently, they don't attend meetings, and they especially won't spend any time analyzing our work rules or studying the contract comparison. They vote however the MEC recommends.
That's how our TAs always pass 60-40. If it gets past the MEC, it gets ratified.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1074165)

I wouldn't worry too much about the survey return numbers... Historically, the Delta pilot group has a very significant level of "under participation". We have a huge "silent contingent". ... If it gets past the MEC, it gets ratified.

Very true.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1074119)

This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.

^^^^This.....

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Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 1074136)

Last Captain I was flying with stopped to speak to a couple LCA's and they confirmed most of what was posted here to include the "RA wants it done by the amenable date" they also mentioned something along the lines of RA said around 30% was doable but spread over the duration of the contract...FYI

Um........no

So, which is it??? Were you there? If not, how do you have accurate knowledge of the lack of what was (purportedly) said?...

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Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1074188)

So, which is it??? Were you there? If not, how do you have accurate knowledge of the lack of what was (purportedly) said?...

I meant "no thanks"

If someone does not care enough to fill out the surveys, then so be it. I want guys filling out surveys that actually care about getting something accomplished with the contract.

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Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 1074196)

If someone does not care enough to fill out the surveys, then so be it. I want guys filling out surveys that actually care about getting something accomplished with the contract.

I'd prefer more, but I kind of agree.