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10-24-2011 | 01:38 PM

#78701

RockyBoy

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Originally Posted by TheWagman

My min level was 70% with 7% year over year. Just doing md88 to southwest conversion.

12 year MD88 pay would only take a 30% raise to equal 12 year SWA pay, but 70% would work.

10-24-2011 | 01:43 PM

#78702

Ferd149

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From: LAX ERA

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Originally Posted by DAWGS

I think you're right regarding mergers, however when the majority of these groups are younger and have better relative seniority vs. Delta, we bottom dwellers will stagnate. The retirements won't help most of us because we will retire before them.

Hummmmm, ghosts of Christmas past I remember another group argue this.

Dynamic List anyone?

But, as I've said before.....I'll believe Alaska when I see it. They are way to expensive and the bidding war will be ugly. But, I was also the guy who would have wagered his house that it was NWA and Continental

Last edited by Ferd149; 10-24-2011 at 01:57 PM.

10-24-2011 | 01:59 PM

#78703

MoonShot

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

Contract survey just extended 72 hours. Apparently a lot of guys decided to get serious about it over the weekend. Pilots.....sheesh.

I believe that this looks a bit like an act of desperation on DALPA's part. Guys had about a month to fill out the survey. If they didn't do it then, they probably aren't going to do it now. Very sad that someone can't take two hours and give their opinion. Lord knows we've all heard the complainers rant for more than two hours in the cockpit about how things should be...

I just can't imagine being that disenfranchised.

10-24-2011 | 02:36 PM

#78704

johnso29

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Originally Posted by MoonShot

It was said at the DTW Council 20 meeting that participation was very low. That's just sad, & ****es me off!!

10-24-2011 | 02:46 PM

#78705

buzzpat

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From: Urban chicken rancher.

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Originally Posted by johnso29

It was said at the DTW Council 20 meeting that participation was very low. That's just sad, & ****es me off!!

I don't get it at all.

10-24-2011 | 02:50 PM

#78706

Herman

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From: erb

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

Mine was 35% FY + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8.

We are only 10 apart. I like your math.

10-24-2011 | 02:50 PM

#78707

Ferd149

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

I don't get it at all.

Interesting. Everyone I've flown with has done theirs......or lied about it.

Would be interesting to see participation by base.

10-24-2011 | 02:55 PM

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buzzpat

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Originally Posted by Ferd149

Interesting. Everyone I've flown with has done theirs......or lied about it.

Would be interesting to see participation by base.

Yep. I've only flown with one guy who hadn't done it and he said he would. There are a lot of guys who feel disenfranchised or resigned that nothing good can or will happen in spite of their best efforts. I think the farther you get from ATL the more that's the case, unfortunately.

10-24-2011 | 02:57 PM

#78709

forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy

12 year MD88 pay would only take a 30% raise to equal 12 year SWA pay, but 70% would work.

If you want to make 12 year min res 70 hours of 88 pay equal 12 years min res pay of 78 hours at SWA then you're looking at 48% increase.

I will say this, if this pilot group signs off on 30% over 5 years pay, which is highly possible under the guise better to be done at ammendable date with a achieveable contract and use next contract to get back to pay levels of 20 years prior with no interest... then I'm selling my house.

Because if your spouse doesn't work and your supporting the family then I think $150k is all you can afford on a house under Delta FO pay. Sure you can fly over 70 buy shouldn't the wise pilot only plan on 70?

Last edited by forgot to bid; 10-24-2011 at 03:19 PM.

10-24-2011 | 03:06 PM

#78710

buzzpat

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

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I will say this, if this pilot group signs off on 30% over 5 years pay, which is highly possible under the guise better to be done at ammendable date with a achieveable contract and use next contract to get back to pay levels of 29 years prior with no interest... then I'm selling my house.

I've already downsized mine. Granted, I bought my earlier home on non-Delta income but to make ends meet in CA, 70 hour guarantees at the current pay for an 11-year guy is damn near impossible. I don't know how more junior folks do it.