That is a bunch of legalese. I am SURE there were assurance given an negotiations that were had, to inform the company that WE DALPA would not fight the proposal in front of the judge for HIM/HER to terminate the pensions. I think that people understand that only a judge can terminate these said plans.

I thought that the Cabo layover was no longer all inclusive......

DAMN!:mad:

I guess it'll have to be Pittsburgh then...

You prefer legalese, I prefer facts. You might look above at BigDaddie's post:

Not exactly....:(

You're correct we agreed not to oppose the termination if the plan met the standards for termination. Why? Because in the history of bankruptcy plan terminations there hasn't been one successful opposition by a Union if the plan met the standard! Not one!

And there's only been one plan restoration (LTV), which the PBGC got back (again) within 5 years...

Go back to the court transcripts. Read what Gallagher said for management, then read what ALPA's lawyers said regarding the pension.

btw, for a guy who never was part of the DB here, and who wasn't even on the property during the time you sure seem to know a lot about it!;)

ACL I believe that is what happened. Been a long time though. Similar to ALPA not opposing the age 65 rule. The judge did not however use the bankruptcy rule (I forget the rule #) but approved the termination plan. Here's a quick summary:

FOXNews.com - Judge Approves Delta Pension Termination Plan - Travel

Where have I bashed my fellow pilots? Here's the thing Slow, I consider myself a well qualified thinker but mediocre communicator. So if something I said was not submitted on pledging paper with a statement of "penalty of perjury," it is because I don't research every detail of my posts. I do it to promote thought and discussion. Nor am I correct all the time and I never claimed to be. I do not however, post anything with intent to deceive.

Now with that said, I am as much part of the union as you. My voice counts as much as yours. If I "bash" Moak, it's because he has acted on, or promoted something I strongly disagree with. I don't recall EVER personally attacking ANYONE on this forum other than our union, which I happen to be a part of! I have joked with others, but that's it. If you want to provide your "facts" where I have done so, I will submit a due apology.

Regarding negotiating the pension, if we did not have discussions, where did the settlement come from, Delta's warm heart? This is the company that after extracting $1B from us just had to have another $300+M for their reorganization plan to work.

So sorry if I offended you in any way. I'm not sorry for vocalizing my disapproval of ALPA giving our livelihood away.

BTW: the ER doesn't do Cabo, does it? I may not agree with you, but I'll drink with you :p

Need I say more? Give away? The company declares bankruptcy. ALPA gets 60 cents on the dollar. The unsecured creditors get 50 cents (or less), and the shareholders get zero...

Yeah, that bankruptcy sure was a giveaway. Just ask those NWA flight attendants who "fought" and wound up with imposed conditions and no right to strike (and no returns until they settled).

Not exactly, and I provided a few references in my response to that post for the time that you've been here. Yet you persist?:confused:

So I hope you won't mind that I'm not sorry for vocalizing my disapproval of BigDaddie revising history, not using facts, and bashing the results his fellow pilots achieved.:rolleyes: Last time I checked you and your fellow pilots are ALPA. It's not some distant institution.

Nah, but it does do Aruba! Nice beach and drinks there. And I'll even buy! (just let me get the landing if I need it!)

Hey Slowplay why don't you respond to Tomcats great post on the last page that was directed at you instead of all this with bigdaddie

More of a function of the brokerage firm, timing... USAirways..., and luck.

Ah I'll just use a quote from my post on this one.

Meaning, I take my share of the responsibility. It seems that no matter what I say to kiss and take you to BK, you will find some flaw in the language. Too bad as we probably could have provoked good thought for others. I myself am not going to waste my time to refute any of your post by fact checking and throw them in your face. I will tell you that if I was off on my facts as posted, it was not by much or was written as a speculative view.

Let's not waste the KB on this forum ****ing at each other. I'm sending you a pm with my cell # if you want to chat.

I second that, we should go in house. Grassroots does start here and that is why I sometimes wonder if people who jump down the throats of those who say negative things regarding ALPA are moles. Try to stop the ground swell before it grows.