Thanks for the kind words man. I'm always amused by the double standard. The usual suspects at ALPA can name call and flat out lie in their defense of ALPA, and guys like Hoser are silent. But when a DPA supporter like me calls them out over it and has the facts to prove it, guys like Hoser call it "hurling insults". It's interesting.

I'm amazed at how smart guys can excuse our unions lawyers who: tried to bust their own union, get fined and sanctioned for lying about an opposing attorney, and write our scope section that they themselves say is so weak they can't defend it. They excuse it and refuse to talk about it. Yet they are obsessed with Lee Seham's firm and focus on those lawyers to the exclusion of ALPA lawyers. Its a good lesson to see how easy it is for a con-man to operate. All you need to do to con smart people is to get them to temporarily ignore evidence that is right before their eyes.

Carl

See there, we finally agree on something. ;)

Carl

Talking point #2 from the ALPA apologists fax machine:

"Ensure you always equate a union drive with disrupting negotiations for an unspecified period of time (the longer the better to instill greater fear). If anyone calls you out on this as untrue, immediately start talking about the Seham law firm that the DPA is using to decertify our beloved union."

Carl

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More typical insults from Carl as he attacks the poster rather than debates the merit.

Hoserpilot, your advice was good, but it fell on deaf ears...

Dal 88 driver,

I think if you'll go back and look this has always been Carl's approach, insult and belittle any one who has a different opinion or disagrees with him. All the way back from the beginning of the merger he has been the one who will never consider another's viewpoint, it's his way or the highway. You have to give him credit for being consistent just wouldn't want to fly with him.

What are you referring to? They all stated that there will be no scope concessions.

It was more along the lines of we have the ability to get what we as a pilot group want. SWA+ is not a bar many are setting. Many know that is too low if you include many of the incentive based compensation programs that have been talked about. On hourly, the reps have not been briefed on the survey, that will occur next week at the MEC meeting in ATL. Expect follow on polling to tighten the data within any demographic that needs more input.

Overall the meeting was well attended, pilots were demanding SCOPE, PAY and WORK RULE changes. The mood was no where near a status quo raise. A few reps asked for input wrt to a position they though we should take, and they got that input yesterday.

I was quite happy to see, in my estimation over 60 pilots there.

How about some good old fashioned billboards around cities telling the public the low-cost airtran pilots will soon be making 45% more than DAL pilots.

I flew a 50 seat rj for 3 1/2 years. I lost respect for Carl when he started insulting me and telling me that I am the problem with the industry. He can do no wrong because he avoided flying for American when they had a "B" scale. Never mind that Northwest eventually had a "B" scale that Carl and his fellow pilots voted for. It's okay though because Carl only flew on the "A" scale. Now I just ignore his posts. I don't have any respect for ALPA either. I sent a DPA card in over a year ago. They will not get another one until I'm under a new contract. If the contract meets my expectations, they will never get another card. As someone who's been on the 320, DC-9, and MD-88, I will never fly with Carl. He will be retired before I am ever done being displaced between our narrow body fleets.

This is exactly what I was talking about. I'll let the above facts speak for themselves. You sure can alienate people, even supporters. Maybe I'm silent because you talk enough for 10 people. Carl, please re-read my story regarding the letter and forum guy. That one guy really did kill the union drive. Take a step back and at least consider my advice. Your a long way off from being "that guy" but you are heading in his direction. FACT is, I've seen this before and I'm actually trying to help you, and more importantly, the drive.

Attendance was much greater for the 44 meeting. This administration allows WAY MORE questions to be asked from us members.

Talked about FPL, scope, alaska (sorry George, same ol' garbage about LAX), air france jv and the effect of Iberia joining. Either we will have to grow back to 50% or the European partners will have to drop some flying. example...SEA-CDG recently announced by us.

Resolution on the election timeline for negotiators...increasing the lead up time to openers.

Sick calls from CP office.

Anger management....we have more guys yelling at agents, rampers ect...(forums!! hehe).

Lots of chatter about pay, or lack thereof. Audience wants the company to "show us the money!!!!!" I LOVED the new catchphrase from the guy up front. Maybe ACL remembered it.....something to do with 'thanks' being in cash.

A few incognito DPA supporters asking good questions.

Overall, a better meeting than in the past.

Hoserpilot

You know the Hitler clip just keeps on giving. Hitler as an Alabama Fan.




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