Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-08-2009, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
From experience - you can not believe a word they say, or write.
As for operating the aircraft with restrictions more limiting than the Certification basis, you are exactly correct. Airlines do that all the time and that is one reason why the limitations you memorize, may, or may not, match the placards or indications.
The SB could not be stopped in mid progress. The airplane either conforms to one standard, or the other.
The problem with the E170 and our scope is that Embraer will gladly make you a version "Certified" to whatever limits you care to dream up. They've got several versions and notice that their standard version is heavier than most of the scope limits. They cut back the limits on request and the FAA rubber stamps the lower limits as "economic" limits that are not even considered an Airworthiness matter.
As for operating the aircraft with restrictions more limiting than the Certification basis, you are exactly correct. Airlines do that all the time and that is one reason why the limitations you memorize, may, or may not, match the placards or indications.
The SB could not be stopped in mid progress. The airplane either conforms to one standard, or the other.
The problem with the E170 and our scope is that Embraer will gladly make you a version "Certified" to whatever limits you care to dream up. They've got several versions and notice that their standard version is heavier than most of the scope limits. They cut back the limits on request and the FAA rubber stamps the lower limits as "economic" limits that are not even considered an Airworthiness matter.
The simplest solution is just to put the jets on the mainline certificate!
06-08-2009, 01:40 PM
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ACL (I still think Anterior Cruciate Ligament every time I type that):
True True. Just think, if we had focused on integrating Compass, this "oopsie" that there were a small fleet of jets only Delta pilots could fly would be excellent news.
Speaking of good news, this is cool. Wish I could still hold the 767:
True True. Just think, if we had focused on integrating Compass, this "oopsie" that there were a small fleet of jets only Delta pilots could fly would be excellent news.
Speaking of good news, this is cool. Wish I could still hold the 767:
The first flight for new carrier, Delta Air Lines, departed from Guam for Japan. Delta announced that it is adding a daily nonstop flight between Guam and Tokyo-Narita, beginning with this first flight.
Delta has come to Guam due to a merger between the carrier and Northwest airlines, which has serviced the island for many years. The new flight from Japan will compliment the existing service by providing more convenient connections for travelers. The new flight will be opertaed by one of Delta’s 216-seat Boeing 767-300ER aircraft, which features 35 BusinessElite seats and 181 in economy class.
“The Guam Visitors Bureau is pleased to welcome Delta Air Lines to Guam and we look forward to forming a close partnership with them,” said Acting General Manager Ernie Galito, “It’s exciting for GVB and Guam to have a new partner to work with to grow our tourism industry.”
Delta has come to Guam due to a merger between the carrier and Northwest airlines, which has serviced the island for many years. The new flight from Japan will compliment the existing service by providing more convenient connections for travelers. The new flight will be opertaed by one of Delta’s 216-seat Boeing 767-300ER aircraft, which features 35 BusinessElite seats and 181 in economy class.
“The Guam Visitors Bureau is pleased to welcome Delta Air Lines to Guam and we look forward to forming a close partnership with them,” said Acting General Manager Ernie Galito, “It’s exciting for GVB and Guam to have a new partner to work with to grow our tourism industry.”
06-08-2009, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
ACL (I still think Anterior Cruciate Ligament every time I type that):
True True. Just think, if we had focused on integrating Compass, this "oopsie" that there were a small fleet of jets only Delta pilots could fly would be excellent news.
Speaking of good news, this is cool. Wish I could still hold the 767:
True True. Just think, if we had focused on integrating Compass, this "oopsie" that there were a small fleet of jets only Delta pilots could fly would be excellent news.
Speaking of good news, this is cool. Wish I could still hold the 767:
06-08-2009, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Anyone notice Boyd's HotFlash today? I think he's pretty much on target for this fall and Q1 2010.
I don't look at Boyd's predictions like I do those of Nostradamus, but he's probably fairly close for this fall and Spring 2010. I'm starting to think that the F word will start to be thrown around here fairly soon. I'll bet we see CPS sold, the flow agreement cancelled, then furloughs announced. I'm betting 500 less pilots on the list so subtract however many guys take the PRIP deal and that's my bet on the number we see cut around September. Sure would be nice if DALPA could make something happen with CPS, but I think the MEC probably wants it sold and out of their hair as much as management does.
06-08-2009, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I don't look at Boyd's predictions like I do those of Nostradamus, but he's probably fairly close for this fall and Spring 2010. I'm starting to think that the F word will start to be thrown around here fairly soon. I'll bet we see CPS sold, the flow agreement cancelled, then furloughs announced. I'm betting 500 less pilots on the list so subtract however many guys take the PRIP deal and that's my bet on the number we see cut around September. Sure would be nice if DALPA could make something happen with CPS, but I think the MEC probably wants it sold and out of their hair as much as management does.
IMHO we are getting close to the staffing predictions you just mentioned. If they cut 5% or more off the spring and summer 2010 sked, I cannot see how we would not furlough up to the last 2001 NWA hire on the joint list. (Just me looking at the numbers NO official tilt to that--just to clear that up for a few)
06-08-2009, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I don't look at Boyd's predictions like I do those of Nostradamus, but he's probably fairly close for this fall and Spring 2010. I'm starting to think that the F word will start to be thrown around here fairly soon. I'll bet we see CPS sold, the flow agreement cancelled, then furloughs announced. I'm betting 500 less pilots on the list so subtract however many guys take the PRIP deal and that's my bet on the number we see cut around September. Sure would be nice if DALPA could make something happen with CPS, but I think the MEC probably wants it sold and out of their hair as much as management does.
I just don't see how you get around it. ACL mentioned yields are off for the fall, this Boyds article makes sense. Listening to Steve Dickson the other day in the crewroom I truly believe that they do not intend to furlough and PRIPs are not furlough prevention, but I think the deepening recession is going to force their hand.
One thing in that Boyd's article was an RJ reduction... can we reduce the RJs? I mean if the economy went into a full blown depression are we stuck with these RJ contracts?
06-08-2009, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Now that sounds like Nostradamus!
IMHO we are getting close to the staffing predictions you just mentioned. If they cut 5% or more off the spring and summer 2010 sked, I cannot see how we would not furlough up to the last 2001 NWA hire on the joint list. (Just me looking at the numbers NO official tilt to that--just to clear that up for a few)
IMHO we are getting close to the staffing predictions you just mentioned. If they cut 5% or more off the spring and summer 2010 sked, I cannot see how we would not furlough up to the last 2001 NWA hire on the joint list. (Just me looking at the numbers NO official tilt to that--just to clear that up for a few)
And do you think they might enhance the PRIP?
06-08-2009, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
It is strange to feel pity for an anonymous pseudonym, but I do. Maybe you can take on the special olympics next as another famous politician recently did, I suggest that you do so after you cure your lack of education on the subject (scope and "lisps"). 
06-08-2009, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Do you think that is contingent on CPZ being sold?
And do you think they might enhance the PRIP?
And do you think they might enhance the PRIP?
I do not know if they will CPZ but they would like to. The dots are starting to really connect with that and a few other things.
I agree with someone else's assessment that DAL is in a tight spot with reducing capacity further. With our hub system as it we start to get real inefficient. That comes down to if we will keep hubs open.
Last month they saw Q1 2010 as a true uptick, but given the fact that yields are way off, I am not sure we can recoup the losses we see in each ticket to make a difference in the bottom line. That said, if demand goes up, so will prices.
I know we do not want to furlough, but sooner or later there are no other options left. The are still committed to no front line layoffs, but I am not sure that can continue if we keep selling tickets for less than the price of the fuel to get the jet there.
As for enhancing the PERPS. Maybe but who knows. I can see them doing that only if they see displacing more than originally planned.
06-08-2009, 02:58 PM
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Well here is something official for all of you MD-90 doubters
Delta has purchased an additional MD-90 from Boeing that will go into service in spring or summer of next year following interior modifications. The plane, considered a domestic workhorse for Delta, likely will serve markets up and down the East Coast and from the mid-U.S. hubs of Minneapolis/St. Paul, Detroit and Salt Lake City, to both coasts, said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy.
“We are very happy with the performance of our existing 16 MD-90 aircraft, as they are among the most efficient aircraft that we operate today,” Nat said. “As a result, we’re always seeking attractive market opportunities to acquire more MD-90s, and it’s a key component of our fleet strategy that we presented to the Board in January.”
The plane, previously owned by a Swiss charter operator, first will be brought to Delta standards with new seats, cabin configuration and other modifications.
Delta has purchased an additional MD-90 from Boeing that will go into service in spring or summer of next year following interior modifications. The plane, considered a domestic workhorse for Delta, likely will serve markets up and down the East Coast and from the mid-U.S. hubs of Minneapolis/St. Paul, Detroit and Salt Lake City, to both coasts, said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy.
“We are very happy with the performance of our existing 16 MD-90 aircraft, as they are among the most efficient aircraft that we operate today,” Nat said. “As a result, we’re always seeking attractive market opportunities to acquire more MD-90s, and it’s a key component of our fleet strategy that we presented to the Board in January.”
The plane, previously owned by a Swiss charter operator, first will be brought to Delta standards with new seats, cabin configuration and other modifications.
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