Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1083791)

Negotiations are all about power and who has it. APA shot themselves in the foot long ago when they actually had some power. The power has now shifted to the company side and the results will show up in the TA when and if they get one.
They have to face the very real possibility of a chapter 11 filing followed by a hostile takeover attempt from Parker.
What is really sad is that the AMR contract will have a big impact on the Delta contract. This is not good for anyone in the industry.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1083791)

Negotiations are all about power and who has it. APA shot themselves in the foot long ago when they actually had some power. The power has now shifted to the company side and the results will show up in the TA when and if they get one.
They have to face the very real possibility of a chapter 11 filing followed by a hostile takeover attempt from Parker.
What is really sad is that the AMR contract will have a big impact on the Delta contract. This is not good for anyone in the industry.

Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot (Post 1083727)

I heard the same thing from my friend who works at AA.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1083756)

Ya gotta watch out for those interweb rumots!


By Andrea Ahles
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After a week of all-day talks and hopeful declarations, American Airlines and its pilots union could not reach a tentative contract agreement this week.
In a message to members Friday afternoon, the Allied Pilots Association's negotiating committee described the intensive talks as "productive" but "discouraging."
"We continue to work hard to move the process forward, but as previously briefed on multiple occasions, large gaps still remain in many areas, including compensation, domestic code-sharing, phased-in productivity tied to growth, a new hire pension structure, sick and vacation," the update said.
A tentative agreement would cover about 10,000 pilots.
No negotiations are planned over the weekend. American spokeswoman Sue Gordon said that the company was willing to continue meeting but that the union chose to take time off.
"Our team began the week with a goal of getting a tentative agreement into the hands of our pilots," Gordon said. "We believe we must continue to work toward an agreement that meets the needs of both our pilots and our airline."
American said it will prepare proposals to give to the union Monday before a union board meeting Tuesday and a meeting of the AMR Corp. board scheduled for Wednesday. The company had been pressing to reach a deal before the board meeting. It was unclear Friday when the negotiating teams would meet again, though the union indicated that it will take a break during Thanksgiving week.
This is the second time in two months that the parties have failed to reach an agreement after accelerated negotiations. In October, they met for several days at Lake Texoma in an attempt to strike a deal before the company's third-quarter earnings report.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1083590)

Well Sailing everything I am hearing is IOE recovery is gone. 23K recovery will have some major modifications that are for the betterment of this group.

I agree though, this really is not a net neutral gain for our pilots.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1083787)

Super and all,

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. MEM is NOT that senior. Looking at just the plug doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The most accurate (imho) is to look at the average seniority for the entire category. Here's what I found (pulled off the Dec 2011 Category List):

For the 320 Captain
ATL: 3647
SLC: 3921
MEM: 3974
MSP: 4023
DTW: 4296

For the DC9 Captain
MEM: 5929
DTW: 6028
MSP: 6623

And by way of comparison, considering where these guys are most likely to go if they elect to change airplanes:

ATL 73NA: 2797
ATL M88A: 4864

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1083763)

I think you're making too much out if this.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1083763)

The MD88/90 is the DC9 on steroids, and on the MD90 you can see both coasts. Add more mainline nonstops between ATL and MEM than any other Delta base, it makes it a no-brainer for most MEM pilots. ATL is only getting more senior, which sucks for a lot of us. Maybe a big pay raise via ALPA will offset some going to permanent reserve?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1083805)

OE recovery SHOULD be gone. It's a joke that we even have it to begin with. If I'm INVOLUTARILY removed for OE I should be done. Period. Not stuck with some crappy open time trip that costs me 2 hotel rooms & 2 more nights on the road because I lost my commutable 5 day that I use my seniority to bid for.

For crying out loud, I had that at my REGIONAL.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1083796)

My belief is if AMR enters CH11, Parker, Anderson, and Smisek will bid on certain parts. The value the investors will get by removing an airline will be far greater than anything Arpey and AMR can offer. AMR really needs to avoid CH 11 at all costs to stay intact.

Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1083810)

In your opinion what do you think Parker, Anderson, and Smisek want?