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Pineapple Guy 11-12-2011 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1083942)
Keep it in context. You're looking from the top down and comparing it as one category versus another but I am talking about mandatory displacements on this AE. So seniority is relative here and in this case I'm looking from the bottom up.

ftb, I took another look, and broke it into deciles. The MEM 320A is almost identical to the DTWA and MSP 320A all along the line from the 30% to the 90% decile. DTW is a bit junior at the 10% and 20% cuts. Unfortunately, I can't remember how to post a graphic.

So, I'll stand by my general comment -- the MEM 320A is really no more senior (or junior) than the 320 at the other fNWA bases. And when you cancel an entire base, there's no point in looking from the bottom up. ALL of them are being flushed.

I'll leave it to you to do a similar study of the F/Os. But the bottom line, is, it is what it is. We continue to synergize/shrink to profitability! Whoopee.

johnso29 11-12-2011 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1083949)
ftb, I took another look, and broke it into deciles. The MEM 320A is almost identical to the DTWA and MSP 320A all along the line from the 30% to the 90% decile. DTW is a bit junior at the 10% and 20% cuts. Unfortunately, I can't remember how to post a graphic.

So, I'll stand by my general comment -- the MEM 320A is really no more senior (or junior) than the 320 at the other fNWA bases. And when you cancel an entire base, there's no point in looking from the bottom up. ALL of them are being flushed.

I'll leave it to you to do a similar study of the F/Os. But the bottom line, is, it is what it is. We continue to synergize/shrink to profitability! Whoopee.



Straight from the Council 20 update:


The AE bid will close at 1400 Eastern time on Saturday November 19th and will be effective for 365 days.* The closing of the MEM base will result in many mandatory displacements with associated bumping rights. Three digit seniority numbers do exist in the MEM A320A position. With the reduction of positions on the 744A and B positions and the closing of the MEM base a waterfall effect of displacements could occur. Be sure your cards correctly list your wishes.

Flamer 11-12-2011 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1083873)
That means they would be agreeing to a 2-3% pay cut this year, followed by 3-5% pay cuts every additional year. COLA is not a raise, and less than COLA is a pay cut. We need to learn how basic math works before we try to negotiate with professional negotiators.

I would really find it hard to believe that 51% of the AA pilots wouldn't realize this simple math. Which actually compounds by the way.

MoonShot 11-12-2011 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1083941)
You're more optimistic than me. I have about 80 guys below me on the 88 in ATL and about 40 below me on the 73 and 320 combined (11500ish seniority). I seriously doubt continuing to sit reserve in ATL on the 88 or anything else is even going to be an option for me. Hoping I can MD to a line on the 320 DTW or 88 MSP and avoid NYC. Like you, I'm also considering going back to the 9 in DTW to hold a line if need be.

I'll be shocked if I can hold on to ATL after all the chips fall on this one.

I don't think you will have any issue holding onto ATL.

Pineapple Guy 11-12-2011 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1083958)
Straight from the Council 20 update:


The AE bid will close at 1400 Eastern time on Saturday November 19th and will be effective for 365 days.* The closing of the MEM base will result in many mandatory displacements with associated bumping rights. Three digit seniority numbers do exist in the MEM A320A position. With the reduction of positions on the 744A and B positions and the closing of the MEM base a waterfall effect of displacements could occur. Be sure your cards correctly list your wishes.

Interesting quote from C20. Go check the December 2011 Category position, available on the DeltaNet.

#1 pilot is 980
#2 pilot is 1749

So the C20 update is wrong. There is only one 3-digit seniority number. A bit misleading, don't you think?

johnso29 11-12-2011 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1083973)
Interesting quote from C20. Go check the December 2011 Category position, available on the DeltaNet.

#1 pilot is 980
#2 pilot is 1749

So the C20 update is wrong. There is only one 3-digit seniority number. A bit misleading, don't you think?

Yup. I just checked myself. Misleading indeed. Kind of hard trust DALPA when they don't even get that right.

XtremeF150 11-12-2011 01:43 PM

The #1 guy on the 9 is around 500 on the list. I just flew with him recently and he said he is going to 330A in SEA, however I think the real shocker for me has been the number of ca's that have told me they are going back to widebody fo. I would say about 50% of the guys I have flown with lately have said this.

FmrFreightDog 11-12-2011 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 1083972)
I don't think you will have any issue holding onto ATL.

Hope you're right. If not though, I used to be pretty good at the whole commuting thing. Just have to sharpen up my jumpseat booking radar again!

Ferd149 11-12-2011 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1083998)
The #1 guy on the 9 is around 500 on the list. I just flew with him recently and he said he is going to 330A in SEA, however I think the real shocker for me has been the number of ca's that have told me they are going back to widebody fo. I would say about 50% of the guys I have flown with lately have said this.

I'm thinking this will happen alot, especially junior A320As who can then mostly sleep through A330B school. Plus, don't you have recall rights if you are MD from something?

Guess we'll see, I think I'm in an ok position (cuz it's all about me:D). My plan is to see what happens for SEA A330B. If I'm getting knocked down to reserve (below my origional 70% qualifier) then I'll just chicken out of training and stay on the ER.

Now, I'm saying this hoping for some contract help. The way I read it is, if I back out of the AE PRIOR to starting training then it's no harm on foul no freeze. Right?

Ferd

tsquare 11-12-2011 02:43 PM

FtB
 
Uh... beatdown, see Auburn vs Jawja. (or Arky vs UT)

Sorry bra


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