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gloopy 11-12-2011 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1083687)
No. But, for whatever reason, I do think they are trying to hold off on hiring for as long as they can. Maybe they are waiting for someone else to announce first. :confused:

Like a merger with an airline that would have just dumped an extra 15-25% onto the bottom of their list? Then they would plead for relative and every single pilot there would jump up an extra 15-25% percentage. If it ends up being AS, at least that would be a good "learning moment" for those who write our scope.

acl65pilot 11-12-2011 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1083810)
In your opinion what do you think Parker, Anderson, and Smisek want?

If I were to dream and look at where other bases are:

Simsek: ORD and maybe LAX, some Asia authorities. SA routes, and maybe MIA itself. Good hub location for them.

Parker, MIA routes to bring to CLT, or MIA itself. NYC Routes to move to PHL

Anderson: NYC terminals, DFW, close MEM, CVG, MSP and SLC have two heartland hubs, four corner posts. Kill One World, JV with JAL. BA and Qantas are back looking for JV partners. JAL an easy decision, helps stop KAL from undercutting NRT hub. HND access for connecting traffic.

Large jets and pilots would go to the airline that get them. LCC, DAL would really like their orders and 777 fleet. UCAL would not need jets just some authorities. LCC would want the routes and jets to Europe.

80's would be parked.

Now of course AMR could escape CH11, and LCC gets parted.

330's to DAL

PHX to LUV

CLT would be a good hub for AMR, and they would bring some of the SA flying out of MIA up to CLT. Better S curve and pricing power for connections.

PHL, well its PHL.

SWA would be a bigger player in this one.

Also, imo if AMR survives and LCC is parted out, B6 and AMR merge.

Just my guesses.

FmrFreightDog 11-12-2011 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1083867)
NWA moved the DC9 base from ATL and actually put it in DCA for awhile. I think NWA always had mainline equipment from MEM/MSP/DTW to ATL, usually DC9s and 320s. There was a NW mx base for the DC9 in ATL I believe, which is why many rotated through here even after the pilot base went away.

For the last year or so at NWA, ATL-MEM was 3 Mesaba RJs a day. It's what drove me to DTW. This was after the old Southern hangar in ATL was dumped. To my knowledge there was never a NWA DC9 base in ATL. My old man flew the -9 at NWA from 90-97 (Eastern refugee) and commuted to DTW from ATL the whole time.

80ktsClamp 11-12-2011 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1083899)
For the last year or so at NWA, ATL-MEM was 3 Mesaba RJs a day. It's what drove me to DTW. This was after the old Southern hangar in ATL was dumped. To my knowledge there was never a NWA DC9 base in ATL. My old man flew the -9 at NWA from 90-97 (Eastern refugee) and commuted to DTW from ATL the whole time.

My mistake, it was Republic that closed the base... It was just prior to the merger. My oldman got caught up in the craziness with that.

firstmob 11-12-2011 09:35 AM

ACL check your pm's

firstmob 11-12-2011 09:39 AM

Could we also be looking at LCC's A321 fleet and orders?

cni187 11-12-2011 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1083865)
Correct. The FOs on the bus in MEM can do some damage to ATL, or any base they want to. It depends on where they want to go, and if they live in the South, they may want to make their commute as easy as possible, even though it may rival the DFW to ATL commute someday. Maybe you can drive MEM to ATL if you have to, but that wouldn't be a lot of fun.

13 from the bottom on the 88B and I'm already prepping to be MD back to NYC. I'm thinking the MEM people will mostly come to ATL and flush out all us Junior peeps.

LeineLodge 11-12-2011 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1083917)
13 from the bottom on the 88B and I'm already prepping to be MD back to NYC. I'm thinking the MEM people will mostly come to ATL and flush out all us Junior peeps.

Between the MEM displacements and the 50 domestic 767 displacements (in each seat) I am bracing for a significant backslide in ATL. Most of those 767 guys bid that because they do not want to do ER (or 330) type flying. The 737 and 320 will likely be the most attractive MD's for them in ATL.

I'm trying to decide if I'd rather sit reserve in ATL on the 88 or commute to a line on something in DTW, MSP or NYC. It looks like you need to be at least halfway up the totem pole in NYC to hold a commutable line, so that's not very attractive. Maybe I'll get a wild hair on my a$$ and MD to the 9 in DTW :D

FmrFreightDog 11-12-2011 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1083924)
I'm trying to decide if I'd rather sit reserve in ATL on the 88 or commute to a line on something in DTW, MSP or NYC. It looks like you need to be at least halfway up the totem pole in NYC to hold a commutable line, so that's not very attractive. Maybe I'll get a wild hair on my a$$ and MD to the 9 in DTW :D

You're more optimistic than me. I have about 80 guys below me on the 88 in ATL and about 40 below me on the 73 and 320 combined (11500ish seniority). I seriously doubt continuing to sit reserve in ATL on the 88 or anything else is even going to be an option for me. Hoping I can MD to a line on the 320 DTW or 88 MSP and avoid NYC. Like you, I'm also considering going back to the 9 in DTW to hold a line if need be.

I'll be shocked if I can hold on to ATL after all the chips fall on this one.

forgot to bid 11-12-2011 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1083706)
If you were to look at the seniority of the 205 MEM pilots you're looking at a group who is senior in the A category and junior in the B category.

The most junior 320 A is slightly more senior then the plug on ATL 73N A and the plug on MEM DC9 A is senior to the ATL M88 A plug. Senior A's there but not necessarily "old", just senior kind of like the 7ER category.

All that to say if flying will now be covered out of ATL for MEM flying then ATL will have a place for them and hardly be noticed. ATL 88 has almost 1,000 total pilots and the 737 comes in around 500-600. Adding 60 give or take or so pilots won't make a huge difference to those two categories and even to the ATL 320 category it's not an incredible jump. So if flying increases and that flying is covered by all 3 ATL NBs then ATL can take all MEM new comers... except adding 200 people to your commute would be pure unadulterated hell. It'd be one thing if it was a reasonable drive but MEM is far from ATL.

See people will go in different directions. I know if I was forced to commute my choices in bidding would have very different priorities then what people would traditionally think.


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1083787)
Super and all,

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. MEM is NOT that senior. Looking at just the plug doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The most accurate (imho) is to look at the average seniority for the entire category. Here's what I found (pulled off the Dec 2011 Category List):

For the 320 Captain
ATL: 3647
SLC: 3921
MEM: 3974
MSP: 4023
DTW: 4296

For the DC9 Captain
MEM: 5929
DTW: 6028
MSP: 6623

And by way of comparison, considering where these guys are most likely to go if they elect to change airplanes:

ATL 73NA: 2797
ATL M88A: 4864

Keep it in context. You're looking from the top down and comparing it as one category versus another but I am talking about mandatory displacements on this AE. So seniority is relative here and in this case I'm looking from the bottom up.

So when you look at that this is what you see:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp5-19.jpg

And fwiw

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp2-21.jpg

And using the projections from the last AE once everyone was seated the median seniority for the categories in question are:

MEM 320 A- 4128
MEM DC9 A- 6434
ATL 73N A- 2638
ATL M88 A -4899
ATL 320 A- 3875


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