Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1051957)

If it's that horrible, they should go to arbitration. They really have nothing to fear.

It's the SWA guys that are fearful of arbitration, and SWA management is threatening both sides.

They are threatening the AAI guys with "non integration", which is something the AAI contract, which SWA has committed to honoring, forbids.

They are threatening the SWA guys with, well, with honoring the process agreement, which incldudes binding arbitration.

The SWA guy's fanciful interpretation of reality aside, SWA isn't going to flush a 1.5 billion dollar investment down the crapper. It costs BIG bucks to run separate ops, and it would mean re-starting several AAI departments that have already been shuttered.

That aside, there are critical FAA mandated management positions and departments that cost real money to operate. The international and overwater ops do NOT transfer...they stay with the certificate holder unless you do an SOC. To do a ETOPS from scratch takes years and costs more money...something SWA has theoretically purchased...they'd be doing it twice.

AAI cannot operate the proposed international schedule AS IS, with the fleet they have. They need more aircraft for that, let alone maintaining their current domestic schedule.

If SWA decides to go down this bizzare path, then they truly HAVE strayed from their low cost structure, and we should have nothing to fear from them.

Nu

Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1051839)

Nope....
717 = 117 pax

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1051957)

If it's that horrible, they should go to arbitration. They really have nothing to fear.

It's the SWA guys that are fearful of arbitration, and SWA management is threatening both sides.

They are threatening the AAI guys with "non integration", which is something the AAI contract, which SWA has committed to honoring, forbids.

They are threatening the SWA guys with, well, with honoring the process agreement, which incldudes binding arbitration.

The SWA guy's fanciful interpretation of reality aside, SWA isn't going to flush a 1.5 billion dollar investment down the crapper. It costs BIG bucks to run separate ops, and it would mean re-starting several AAI departments that have already been shuttered.

That aside, there are critical FAA mandated management positions and departments that cost real money to operate. The international and overwater ops do NOT transfer...they stay with the certificate holder unless you do an SOC. To do a ETOPS from scratch takes years and costs more money...something SWA has theoretically purchased...they'd be doing it twice.

AAI cannot operate the proposed international schedule AS IS, with the fleet they have. They need more aircraft for that, let alone maintaining their current domestic schedule.

If SWA decides to go down this bizzare path, then they truly HAVE strayed from their low cost structure, and we should have nothing to fear from them.

Nu

Originally Posted by Sawdog (Post 1051939)

Heard directly from aitran ALPA rep that the deal is worse except for seniority numbers, ie all the rest is not good, guess they should have gone with the first proposal

Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 1052048)

It's Friday night. Did somebody just sneeze?

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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1052055)

This is a common negotiation tactic. Expect to see something similar with Delta vs Pilots next contract if everyone doesn't sign on with Management/ALPA first offer. The next will be worse because of (insert new changing circumstances) then everyone feels lucky if the first offer comes around again. I applaud the Airtran guys for standing strong.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 1051949)

Helping ya out!

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