Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-05-2011 | 01:13 PM
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After four hours working on VA paperwork, doing honey do's for another 2 hours, I needed a distraction from my friends on L&G. Yikes! too much AA bankruptcy talk. Finally, "I love Chocolate." Finally some illustrations. Thank you friends. And babbitt. Good news finally.
12-05-2011 | 01:46 PM
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I guess I don't "get it"...
My impression is Randy Babbitt was a better FAA Administrator than most, who are typically clueless political appointees. I don't know the man personally, but I find his arrest for DUI sad.
I don't find humor or joy in his misfortune....
My impression is Randy Babbitt was a better FAA Administrator than most, who are typically clueless political appointees. I don't know the man personally, but I find his arrest for DUI sad.
I don't find humor or joy in his misfortune....
12-05-2011 | 01:55 PM
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12-05-2011 | 02:18 PM
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Someone just sent me this.....great
By Terry Maxon/Reporter
[email protected] | Bio
11:54 AM on Mon., Dec. 5, 2011 | Permalink
Southwest Airlines chairman and chief executive officer Gary Kelly offered some surprising observations Monday about his three biggest competitors:
• The old, legacy carriers, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines, don't exist anymore. They've been replaced by better versions with lower costs.
• American Airlines won't survive if it doesn't convert itself as they did.
• Southwest has to find a way to overcome the lower costs of its competitors.
In a letter to employees and in a separate hotline, Kelly said Southwest will have to fight to keep its competitive spot against major competitors who have transformed themselves, like United or Delta, or will transform themselves, as American must do.
In the letter he said:
"American isn't the only airline not to survive without bankruptcy. Let's look back to 1989, the year Southwest became the newest member of the old major airline club, based on annual revenues.
"All the majors from 1989 have gone bankrupt. Pan Am. Eastern. Braniff. Continental. America West. TWA. US Air. United. Delta. Northwest. And now, American. Every single one failed.
"Why? Not because of Customer Service, but because of high costs. Great Customer Service cannot overcome high costs. That is the imperative I wrote about a decade ago: low costs."
On the hotline, he added about American Airlines:
"I am sure they will shrink. I am sure they will be forced to reduce their costs or else they will be shut down and liquidated. It'll be long. It'll be painful for them. Along the way, they lost their way. As the world changed over the last decade, they were simply not able to adjust and especially with their labor contracts."
"In the near term, they'll be very distracted. That may be somewhat good for us. It may be very good for us in some markets.
"But I can assure you, over the longer term, we're going to face a more formidable opponent, just like we now face with United, who is performing the best they have in 20 years, and also Delta, also performing very well and in some ways better than Southwest Airlines."
Southwest has to "get our costs down through increased productivity to compete against these new legacy airlines," Kelly said on the hotline.
"Their costs are much lower than they were. Their labor costs are lower than ours. Actually, they aren't what you would call legacy airlines. They are new. They are different. The old legacy airlines are dead and buried," he said.
[email protected] | Bio
11:54 AM on Mon., Dec. 5, 2011 | Permalink
Southwest Airlines chairman and chief executive officer Gary Kelly offered some surprising observations Monday about his three biggest competitors:
• The old, legacy carriers, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines, don't exist anymore. They've been replaced by better versions with lower costs.
• American Airlines won't survive if it doesn't convert itself as they did.
• Southwest has to find a way to overcome the lower costs of its competitors.
In a letter to employees and in a separate hotline, Kelly said Southwest will have to fight to keep its competitive spot against major competitors who have transformed themselves, like United or Delta, or will transform themselves, as American must do.
In the letter he said:
"American isn't the only airline not to survive without bankruptcy. Let's look back to 1989, the year Southwest became the newest member of the old major airline club, based on annual revenues.
"All the majors from 1989 have gone bankrupt. Pan Am. Eastern. Braniff. Continental. America West. TWA. US Air. United. Delta. Northwest. And now, American. Every single one failed.
"Why? Not because of Customer Service, but because of high costs. Great Customer Service cannot overcome high costs. That is the imperative I wrote about a decade ago: low costs."
On the hotline, he added about American Airlines:
"I am sure they will shrink. I am sure they will be forced to reduce their costs or else they will be shut down and liquidated. It'll be long. It'll be painful for them. Along the way, they lost their way. As the world changed over the last decade, they were simply not able to adjust and especially with their labor contracts."
"In the near term, they'll be very distracted. That may be somewhat good for us. It may be very good for us in some markets.
"But I can assure you, over the longer term, we're going to face a more formidable opponent, just like we now face with United, who is performing the best they have in 20 years, and also Delta, also performing very well and in some ways better than Southwest Airlines."
Southwest has to "get our costs down through increased productivity to compete against these new legacy airlines," Kelly said on the hotline.
"Their costs are much lower than they were. Their labor costs are lower than ours. Actually, they aren't what you would call legacy airlines. They are new. They are different. The old legacy airlines are dead and buried," he said.
12-05-2011 | 02:23 PM
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When? 3 years from now? Maybe? Or do we only need to touch 50% for an extremely short period of time, then an entirely new 3 year period of unbalance can begin?
This is such a typical example of an MEC administrator dude only telling half the story. Why not tell the whole story alfaromeo? Do you not know it? Why don't you tell us that you were so proud of the language that the whole MEC voted for it? Oh wait...
Clearly many of us see this for the lie that it is. We're also troubled that these lies and half truths keep coming from the permanent MEC bureaucracy whose lifestyle depends on the continued placation of management.
Carl
This is such a typical example of an MEC administrator dude only telling half the story. Why not tell the whole story alfaromeo? Do you not know it? Why don't you tell us that you were so proud of the language that the whole MEC voted for it? Oh wait...
Clearly many of us see this for the lie that it is. We're also troubled that these lies and half truths keep coming from the permanent MEC bureaucracy whose lifestyle depends on the continued placation of management.
Carl
Fast forward to the JPWACBA where it became a 50/50 with KLM and AF not just against our previous KLM numbers like our CBA language. We get half of the combined KLM and AF numbers, then they added a third airline to their side of the JV and we still retained 50 percent or all the flying while the three of them are dividing up their side of flying into thirds now.
NW 50% KLM
new DL 50% KLM and AF
mou DL 50% KLM and AF and Alitalia
DL 50% | AF/KLM/AZ 50%
new DL 50% KLM and AF
mou DL 50% KLM and AF and Alitalia
DL 50% | AF/KLM/AZ 50%
Is our half of four airlines total Atlantic flying bigger than their half they are dividing by three?
12-05-2011 | 02:42 PM
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12-05-2011 | 02:48 PM
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We've got to get rid of the downtown requirement. We should specify which ones must be, like a NYC, BOS, IND, SFO, ORD/MDW but man, we stay at some dumps in dumpy downtowns.
12-05-2011 | 02:58 PM
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12-05-2011 | 03:15 PM
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By Terry Maxon/Reporter
[email protected] | Bio
11:54 AM on Mon., Dec. 5, 2011 | Permalink
Southwest Airlines chairman and chief executive officer Gary Kelly offered some surprising observations Monday about his three biggest competitors:
• The old, legacy carriers, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines, don't exist anymore. They've been replaced by better versions with lower costs.
• American Airlines won't survive if it doesn't convert itself as they did.
• Southwest has to find a way to overcome the lower costs of its competitors.
In a letter to employees and in a separate hotline, Kelly said Southwest will have to fight to keep its competitive spot against major competitors who have transformed themselves, like United or Delta, or will transform themselves, as American must do.
In the letter he said:
"American isn't the only airline not to survive without bankruptcy. Let's look back to 1989, the year Southwest became the newest member of the old major airline club, based on annual revenues.
"All the majors from 1989 have gone bankrupt. Pan Am. Eastern. Braniff. Continental. America West. TWA. US Air. United. Delta. Northwest. And now, American. Every single one failed.
"Why? Not because of Customer Service, but because of high costs. Great Customer Service cannot overcome high costs. That is the imperative I wrote about a decade ago: low costs."
On the hotline, he added about American Airlines:
"I am sure they will shrink. I am sure they will be forced to reduce their costs or else they will be shut down and liquidated. It'll be long. It'll be painful for them. Along the way, they lost their way. As the world changed over the last decade, they were simply not able to adjust and especially with their labor contracts."
"In the near term, they'll be very distracted. That may be somewhat good for us. It may be very good for us in some markets.
"But I can assure you, over the longer term, we're going to face a more formidable opponent, just like we now face with United, who is performing the best they have in 20 years, and also Delta, also performing very well and in some ways better than Southwest Airlines."
Southwest has to "get our costs down through increased productivity to compete against these new legacy airlines," Kelly said on the hotline.
"Their costs are much lower than they were. Their labor costs are lower than ours. Actually, they aren't what you would call legacy airlines. They are new. They are different. The old legacy airlines are dead and buried," he said.
[email protected] | Bio
11:54 AM on Mon., Dec. 5, 2011 | Permalink
Southwest Airlines chairman and chief executive officer Gary Kelly offered some surprising observations Monday about his three biggest competitors:
• The old, legacy carriers, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines, don't exist anymore. They've been replaced by better versions with lower costs.
• American Airlines won't survive if it doesn't convert itself as they did.
• Southwest has to find a way to overcome the lower costs of its competitors.
In a letter to employees and in a separate hotline, Kelly said Southwest will have to fight to keep its competitive spot against major competitors who have transformed themselves, like United or Delta, or will transform themselves, as American must do.
In the letter he said:
"American isn't the only airline not to survive without bankruptcy. Let's look back to 1989, the year Southwest became the newest member of the old major airline club, based on annual revenues.
"All the majors from 1989 have gone bankrupt. Pan Am. Eastern. Braniff. Continental. America West. TWA. US Air. United. Delta. Northwest. And now, American. Every single one failed.
"Why? Not because of Customer Service, but because of high costs. Great Customer Service cannot overcome high costs. That is the imperative I wrote about a decade ago: low costs."
On the hotline, he added about American Airlines:
"I am sure they will shrink. I am sure they will be forced to reduce their costs or else they will be shut down and liquidated. It'll be long. It'll be painful for them. Along the way, they lost their way. As the world changed over the last decade, they were simply not able to adjust and especially with their labor contracts."
"In the near term, they'll be very distracted. That may be somewhat good for us. It may be very good for us in some markets.
"But I can assure you, over the longer term, we're going to face a more formidable opponent, just like we now face with United, who is performing the best they have in 20 years, and also Delta, also performing very well and in some ways better than Southwest Airlines."
Southwest has to "get our costs down through increased productivity to compete against these new legacy airlines," Kelly said on the hotline.
"Their costs are much lower than they were. Their labor costs are lower than ours. Actually, they aren't what you would call legacy airlines. They are new. They are different. The old legacy airlines are dead and buried," he said.
Hey Bill.... Interesting insight in this article.
Having traveled on LUV much since the merger, I have observed that they already are quite productive and efficient.
As our much esteemed and astute in house financial analyst Alfa has observed, this is also a revenue problem for SWA.
We should start a pool with a buy in based on which month and in what year will SWA adopt baggage fees and so on.
Got to think it is inevitable. The good thing about that will be that we will be able to watch football games without having to see anymore of those bizarre ads.
12-05-2011 | 03:28 PM
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Our best domestic downtown is BOS.
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