Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-05-2011 | 07:20 PM
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From: 767er Captain
I guess I don't "get it"...
My impression is Randy Babbitt was a better FAA Administrator than most, who are typically clueless political appointees. I don't know the man personally, but I find his arrest for DUI sad.
I don't find humor or joy in his misfortune....
My impression is Randy Babbitt was a better FAA Administrator than most, who are typically clueless political appointees. I don't know the man personally, but I find his arrest for DUI sad.
I don't find humor or joy in his misfortune....
12-05-2011 | 07:21 PM
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The NWA JV with KLM said that NW would share 50% with KLM and that 47% (46% was the floor) was in compliance. We had a 12 month lookback and a 24 month lookback for compliance and then the company had a further 6 months to adjust the ratio back within that 4 percentage points (30 months). Then the CBA went on to say that if other airlines were added to the JV that it would be in compliance it NW maintained it's 50% annual KLM ratio, not the ratio of the new JV partners. We were only going to maintain our ratio with KLM not the new group.
Fast forward to the JPWACBA where it became a 50/50 with KLM and AF not just against our previous KLM numbers like our CBA language. We get half of the combined KLM and AF numbers, then they added a third airline to their side of the JV and we still retained 50 percent or all the flying while the three of them are dividing up their side of flying into thirds now.
Fast forward to the JPWACBA where it became a 50/50 with KLM and AF not just against our previous KLM numbers like our CBA language. We get half of the combined KLM and AF numbers, then they added a third airline to their side of the JV and we still retained 50 percent or all the flying while the three of them are dividing up their side of flying into thirds now.
NW 50% KLM
new DL 50% KLM and AF
mou DL 50% KLM and AF and Alitalia
DL 50% | AF/KLM/AZ 50%
new DL 50% KLM and AF
mou DL 50% KLM and AF and Alitalia
DL 50% | AF/KLM/AZ 50%
Is our half of four airlines total Atlantic flying bigger than their half they are dividing by three?
12-05-2011 | 07:25 PM
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From: maddoggy dog
Back in my RJ days OMA was one of my favorite layovers. Downtown has cool places to eat and drink a couple brews (not as many as our FAA Chief!!).
12-05-2011 | 07:28 PM
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From: AN124 FE
I know there are a lot of personal preferences and different ideas when it comes to BBQ. I didn't care for Blue's City BBQ's BBQ. But they have a sign up in there that says, "world's best tamales." At the suggestion of the guy I was flying with, I tried those tamales. I think their sign might be right!!! 
12-05-2011 | 07:32 PM
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12-05-2011 | 08:07 PM
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12-05-2011 | 08:27 PM
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Downtown layovers are in our contract to benefit us, not the company. I have seen numerous times over the years where we have waived the downtown requirement for transit time, security, or availability of dining options.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
12-05-2011 | 09:57 PM
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From: Space Shuttle PIC
Downtown layovers are in our contract to benefit us, not the company. I have seen numerous times over the years where we have waived the downtown requirement for transit time, security, or availability of dining options.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
If it is 14 hours or longer, I want Manhattan layovers. Don't be such wimps, you gotta love NYC! If you don't like it, don't bid it, and fogetaboutit!
12-05-2011 | 10:08 PM
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From: DAL Pilot
I agree. I like staying in Manhattan if it's 14+ hours. I absolutely hate the ******** near JFK. Definitely one of our worst hotels in the system. I cringe when I see it on a rotation.
Last edited by acl65pilot; 12-06-2011 at 02:40 AM. Reason: Security
12-05-2011 | 10:14 PM
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From: DAL 330
Downtown layovers are in our contract to benefit us, not the company. I have seen numerous times over the years where we have waived the downtown requirement for transit time, security, or availability of dining options.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
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