Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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I think a new concern for the junior/younger folk should be furlough. If Iran keeps farting around with the strait of Hormouse or Israel does something about the Nuke program over there, $200.00/ barrel oil is not out of the question. It seems almost certain some sort of conflict will erupt over there, sometime this year. Think not only about Delta's fuel costs but the world economies and how many people/ business people will continue to fly.
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I'd wait for better conditions, but truthfully when you live here, you become a "snow snob."
Wasatch:
Came up and skied Alta. Not too bad in the morning, but clouded up and got windy after lunch. Rented skis/poles at Canyon Skis south of the Radisson. The 'Techs' said it was a good thing I got the damage coverage.
Lots of 'sticks and stones,' but it beat sitting in the hotel!
Hope y'all get LOTS of snow soon!
DFW
Wasatch:
Came up and skied Alta. Not too bad in the morning, but clouded up and got windy after lunch. Rented skis/poles at Canyon Skis south of the Radisson. The 'Techs' said it was a good thing I got the damage coverage.
Lots of 'sticks and stones,' but it beat sitting in the hotel!Hope y'all get LOTS of snow soon!
DFW
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A entry and exit are required for a SAQ. The Check Captain or AQFO have to fly both legs. It may be for Bogata that a entry only is allowed if the CA already holds a SAQ. Every other qual including Africa, South America and special airports requires the entry and exit. There is no reason for the check airman involved not to release the copilot. Its been my experience that they do that 100 percent of the time.
ACL,
I don't doubt ATL 777 might move out completely, but couldn't the size of ATL 777 and DTW 777 be flipped vs closing ATL 777?
I ask, because what else would do a route like ATL-NRT?
FWIW 777 routes (by my best count, I might be missing some):
ATL-DTW
ATL-LAX
ATL-DXB
ATL-JNB
ATL-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW-PVG
DTW-PEK
DTW-HKG
NRT-HKG
NRT-SIN
NRT-TPE
NRT-ATL
NRT-MSP
MSP-NRT
LAX-SYD
I don't doubt ATL 777 might move out completely, but couldn't the size of ATL 777 and DTW 777 be flipped vs closing ATL 777?
I ask, because what else would do a route like ATL-NRT?
FWIW 777 routes (by my best count, I might be missing some):
ATL-DTW
ATL-LAX
ATL-DXB
ATL-JNB
ATL-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW-PVG
DTW-PEK
DTW-HKG
NRT-HKG
NRT-SIN
NRT-TPE
NRT-ATL
NRT-MSP
MSP-NRT
LAX-SYD
I too find it hard to fathom them closing the 777 base in ATL, but I am not the one that started the discussion. I heard what Scambo heard, and from different people. It is more about diversifying our flying and moving things out of the ATL basket from what I was told. It has to do with the way the City of Atlanta played with the renegotiation of our leases, or so the story goes.
From what I could gather, and I did not ask too many questions, it was not going to be immediate. For that reason alone, I bet ti never happens. From what I hear there will be more seats pulled on the next bid. The 777 is doing MSP-NRT and similar markets. Its not that they are parking anything, they are just moving stuff around to maximize its benefit.
As for DTW and LAX from ATL on the 777, those are position flights. Once they get most of the MTC up and running in DTW on the 777, those two flights may not be needed.
The back end of that rumor was more interesting to me anyway. Go search what Scambo posted. That is the part that got me to respond, not that it was leaving ATL, it was what the long term plans were. (Long meaning five years)
I also took this as a purposeful leak. One that is to get out to certain people or organizations, not pilots, but airlines and airport boards. Its a message.
NRT is going back tot he 744. That really leaves JND and DXB. DXB just went to a 24 hr layo.
I too find it hard to fathom them closing the 777 base in ATL, but I am not the one that started the discussion. I heard what Scambo heard, and from different people. It is more about diversifying our flying and moving things out of the ATL basket from what I was told. It has to do with the way the City of Atlanta played with the renegotiation of our leases, or so the story goes.
From what I could gather, and I did not ask too many questions, it was not going to be immediate. For that reason alone, I bet ti never happens. From what I hear there will be more seats pulled on the next bid. The 777 is doing MSP-NRT and similar markets. Its not that they are parking anything, they are just moving stuff around to maximize its benefit.
As for DTW and LAX from ATL on the 777, those are position flights. Once they get most of the MTC up and running in DTW on the 777, those two flights may not be needed.
The back end of that rumor was more interesting to me anyway. Go search what Scambo posted. That is the part that got me to respond, not that it was leaving ATL, it was what the long term plans were. (Long meaning five years)
I too find it hard to fathom them closing the 777 base in ATL, but I am not the one that started the discussion. I heard what Scambo heard, and from different people. It is more about diversifying our flying and moving things out of the ATL basket from what I was told. It has to do with the way the City of Atlanta played with the renegotiation of our leases, or so the story goes.
From what I could gather, and I did not ask too many questions, it was not going to be immediate. For that reason alone, I bet ti never happens. From what I hear there will be more seats pulled on the next bid. The 777 is doing MSP-NRT and similar markets. Its not that they are parking anything, they are just moving stuff around to maximize its benefit.
As for DTW and LAX from ATL on the 777, those are position flights. Once they get most of the MTC up and running in DTW on the 777, those two flights may not be needed.
The back end of that rumor was more interesting to me anyway. Go search what Scambo posted. That is the part that got me to respond, not that it was leaving ATL, it was what the long term plans were. (Long meaning five years)
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Thanks Bar.... I'll republish, it can't hurt. It took 12 years to finish my BS. I decided to stop going to college early on to pursue a full time flying job. I told myself that I'd start back 6 months later. WRONG!!! Finishing a degree working full time and with 2 kids screaming in my ear while trying to study was not easy. Glad it's finally done
Congrats on finally getting it done and good luck!
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Correct! Only our Pacific Theater qual requires entry only.
What he may have been thinking of was when we flew redeyes from JFK-BOG.
Then, flight ops policies were even if the crew was qualified, that there would be a third pilot for the JFK-BOG leg only due to the terrain, challenging arrival, etc all after a 5 hour redeye (a good idea I might add). Then, for awhile there was a bit of an underhanded "grease my skids" where LCAs and AQFOs were the only ones getting this deal (thus the deviate from DH go right back to ATL on the morning BOG-ATL flight scenario).
But these were not quals at all--just flight ops policies. ALPA quickly said, "uh, this should be available for all pilots, not just Flight Standards guys" so a MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) was written up and these were actually put into the bid package.
Now we don't fly JFK-BOG all-nighters anyway so it is all a moot point.
But that was always a different animal from the inital BOG checkout which requires both an entry and exit from LCA/AQFO.
What he may have been thinking of was when we flew redeyes from JFK-BOG.
Then, flight ops policies were even if the crew was qualified, that there would be a third pilot for the JFK-BOG leg only due to the terrain, challenging arrival, etc all after a 5 hour redeye (a good idea I might add). Then, for awhile there was a bit of an underhanded "grease my skids" where LCAs and AQFOs were the only ones getting this deal (thus the deviate from DH go right back to ATL on the morning BOG-ATL flight scenario).
But these were not quals at all--just flight ops policies. ALPA quickly said, "uh, this should be available for all pilots, not just Flight Standards guys" so a MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) was written up and these were actually put into the bid package.
Now we don't fly JFK-BOG all-nighters anyway so it is all a moot point.
But that was always a different animal from the inital BOG checkout which requires both an entry and exit from LCA/AQFO.
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