Talking about possibilities is a lot different than wishing ill will. DAL cannot buy all of AMR. No way. That I agree. At a min, it would be a multi party deal.

 

Do you even remember your own posts? Allow me:

Nice analysis.

I expect more from our flight pay loss funding slowplay. My unelected MEC bureaucrats have to stop being so blatantly hypocritical. It's embarrassing.

Carl

 

Capn,

The number that I have seen is 87 hours and I believe it. Remember this is an average for total compensation and is skewed high by green-slips, white-slips, assignments and now you would also have to include profit sharing too. My profit sharing for 2010, paid last February amounted to a 5.6 hours/month increase.

Do not confuse the 87 hours average compensation with the guarantee - they are related, but not the same number.

As I said, I think the 87 hour month is probably accurate.
87 X 12 = 1044. I was always told that our average pay comes out to 1000 hours a year and this is pretty close.

Keep in mind that most junior guys on reserve will be no where near the 87 hour average, but for every reserve guy at 70 hours there is probably a few senior guys getting in the 90+ range. And also remember, there are a lot more line-holders than reserves.

And don't forget the training department - as small a percentage as they are, they probably skew the average up 1-2 hours/month by themselves.

Scoop

 

Not sure if it has been answered, but calls through ATL radio all have a transcript kept of the conversation. Probably for liability reasons.

 

So say that Delta does acquire AMR. Do we the bottom of the list guys have to worry about furlough? What happens to the AMR pilots? Anyone care to throw out an educated guess? Bar? FTB?

 

That's probably too far off to guess. An all out merger would require a new JCBA and thus hopefully more furlough protection. The SLI would be interesting... probably pretty much relative would be the result. It can't go date of hire since we aren't date of hire over here to begin with. Fragmentation of them would be ugly ugly ugly.

I personally give the whole thing a 5% chance of happening. I think it's just to run the price up.

 

Yeah I figured as much but just wanted to throw the notion out there.

 

I'll bite. We are about 800 pilots overstaffed at the moment and have about 800 retirements through 2016. That being said, a merger with AA and the ensuing consolidation will send the junior 15% or so packing for a very long time. Add in the contract language allowing 3 76 DCI planes for each mainline aircraft above a specified amount, the DCI aircraft arent required to be reduced when mainline shrinks back down and the fact that our domestic network is largely contracted out already........

Not buying it? 12,600 pilots at the merge, DC-9s, 747-200s and several 757s have been parked/sold and we are barely at 12,000 now and overstaffed. 787 deliveries cancelled too. We are far from safe without a merger.

You get the idea.

 

How is the average line pilot getting 85 hours of pay a month with our rules. ALVs in the 70s, not a whole lot of open time, working 15+ days a month just to hit ALV (at least with the trips out west). Now if we had SWA rules with 6.0 hours min credit/DAY (means only 12 days of work for 72 hours) I could certainly see earning a lot more. Not to mention how do you make up for only 3:15/day of vacation/training. When I was hired I was told you could figure your pay by multiplying your pay rate by 1000 (in other words 1000 credit hours/year). BUT, that was back in the line of time days, trips touching for vacation (one week of vacation could turn in to three weeks off and could then pick up even more money if you wanted by picking up some more trips). Would love to know where the average line pilot is getting 85 hours (certainly not in the LAX base).

 

DAL,

See post 85644 on the previous page. Note - Not the average line pilot - the average DAL Pilot, which includes the DALPA guys and the training department.

Scoop