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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1122753)

The company would also never offer 20 percent even if there were.

I'm glad to hear that the company realizes a lowball like that would be wasting our time.

Hopefully DALPA got that memo, too.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1122646)

Or waiting for the production of the C-Series. Point is it could mean a lot of things. :rolleyes:

That could be a game changer for many Delta pilots careers, as the some of the rj lift is replaced.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1122753)

Your hearing wrong. There are no talks with the company on a extension. The company would also never offer 20 percent even if there were. You can dispel these rumors with a couple of phone calls to your reps.

Maybe it's a whisper to ALPA what the minimum should be the first year of the contract? You can go tell yourself that.

A 2 year contract extension with initial 20%, bump in year two. An aircraft order from the 100-120 seat RFP from this last year with an 18 month initial delivery window. No additional outsourcing to DCI, and some other work rule changes would get my attention.

Of course I just woke up from my redeye sleep and doing another one tonight. Perhaps I'm still dreaming.

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Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1122741)

I can believe mgt gave this as a reason, and it may even be ONE legitimate reason for wanting an extension. But I also bet there are other, much bigger reasons as well. Like, we think we can complete a merger in two years and we don't want to be in negotiations when you learn how many furloughs will result. Or, we think it will take us about two years to get these code shares really cooking. You'll love it, we will make more money and fly more DL pax with less DL pilots.

The hinting toward or promise of 750 new hires means absolutely nothing unless it's in writing. They are probably using that promise this time instead of the old "we'll buy more airplanes" trick because we are hearing them tell the analysts that they are not buying any new planes. We would be dumb to believe that one, so they dangle some money and hiring instead. It's not going to work.

I hear you. I am just repeating what I heard. A 20% raise THE FIRST YEAR wouldn't be a bad start, but we also need some more scope strengthing, better reserve rules, and work rules like 5:15 min every day we are flying, so any crappy 3 day now worth 11 hours will be worth 15:45 minimum. That will result in more hiring right there.

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1122768)

I'm with Buzz, without meaningful work rule changes, its a big no. All of the OTs (SOT, TOT) are a good start...but not even close to what is needed.

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1122712)

I've heard it here too - what I heard was a one year extension for 5% raise.

20% with status quo on the contract is a no vote for me. 5% is laughable and insulting at the same time.

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1122712)

I've heard it here too - what I heard was a one year extension for 5% raise. I told the guy that if the company wants a one year extension for something, we better aim higher than that. They must need the extension for something.

Don't waste the ink

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Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1122721)

I appreciate the stock and JCBA that ALPA got for us during the last merger, but I think we passed up a real chance to make some needed improvements in the contract. Let's not make that same mistake again!

This is the kind of stuff that leaves me scratching my head. What opportunity was passed up? You realize the company doesn't have to have us on board to acquire, merge or fragment, right?

Show me an example where your version of leverage worked...

Southwest and AirTran?
United and Continental? Their situation is almost completely analogous AND they were in Section 6 (CAL) when it happened.
America West and USAirways?

They ALL are exactly where they started. Where's the leverage of which you speak? Go back even farther in history, and the first time labor even heard about the deals was when they were publicly announced. Delta/Western is an example.

Management has workarounds. They don't get all the revenue and cost "synergies" by running two separate operations, but they get a boatload of labor savings. Even a profitable company like SWA only gave away the acquired airline's seniority...no cash. UAL/CAL would take over $350 million and 400 pilot jobs just to come up to the current DAL contract. In the UAL/CAL case management is learning to work around. In USAPA's case that's the only reason their company is profitable.

So again I ask, where was the leverage that we squandered?