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Originally Posted by flyguy1
(Post 1122645)
The latest word from the Leads Meeting is the DC-9 might be here another year. There is talk of closing MSP and keeping a small 9 base in DTW.
My take is this could be posturing for a lower price on the 717s or could be used if issues arise with Pinnacle. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1122634)
George, the GM et al issues were not in an election year. AMR would be one of the largest companies that the government cannot go in and directly bail out. It leads to a lot of lost votes if there is significant job loss in the next 11 months. It is the timing of all of this that matters. Compile that with the general sentiment in this country and swing states where DAL, LCC and AMR have assets all of a sudden become very important.
It's just that unlike auto manufacturers, airlines are very decentralized. The car companies have big plants and many associated suppliers close by, so the failure of the car company takes down the whole supply chain and harms even the healthy competitors that happen to use the same suppliers. Airlines are by nature pretty decentralized. Heavy maintenance has been moved offshore. MRO to outside vendors like Timco and AAR Ticket agents in India, etc. you get the idea. There won't be a significant job loss in any one place even if AMR should implode, because other airlines will come in and expand creating the need for "new" jobs. The AMR bankruptcy is in the hands of a judge, and he will decide. The largest creditor is PBGC should AMR default. The proposal that ensures the financial well-being of the PBGC will most likely find favor with the BK judge. Be careful what you wish for! Cheers George |
Originally Posted by flyguy1
(Post 1122645)
The latest word from the Leads Meeting is the DC-9 might be here another year. There is talk of closing MSP and keeping a small 9 base in DTW.
My take is this could be posturing for a lower price on the 717s or could be used if issues arise with Pinnacle. |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1122660)
So, we might keep some of the DC9s, but still get 20 MD90s this year and 9 more in 2013. What could we do with 20 more MD90s? How about D F'n W?
Now a south Florida operation on the other hand... |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1122604)
That's ok, I guess ES was lying to these guys. The other numbers they did throw out were about 600 newhires a year starting next year for atleast a few years initially, due to those rules many of you discount, and retirements. Obviously hiring by the end of the decade will be continuous mainly due to retirements.
1.5 years ago the rumor was for a 200-600 bracket depending of the final FTDT regs. Based on the final ruling what lobbying group do you think had the upper hand? Best case that puts it at 200. Retiring DC-9s and adding MD90s while keeping capacity flat makes that a wash... I'm not holding my breath on the promised retirements either, surprised how few are aware of what recently passed in Canada. I have little reason to believe there won't be a change in the US. The legal precedence is already set in changing one arbitrary age (60) to another (65) Cheers George |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1122646)
Or waiting for the production of the C-Series. Point is it could mean a lot of things. :rolleyes:
Unless we get them for half-off there will not be a deal, and even at half off that makes them about 25M. Used MD90s and 717 go for about half of that again...With debt reduction and capacity discipline being the focus I can't see any business case for that jet at DAL. Maybe a handful for long-thin routes ;-) Cheers George |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1122662)
I don't get why people get so excited about that hot barren wasteland of an area...
Now a south Florida operation on the other hand... Now a Texas operation on the other hand.... ;) |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1122627)
We are going Up! :D
There are many roads DAL can go down. We are at a decision point and RA is in the drivers seat. He has a fully integrated airline with fully resolved labor issues. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1122326)
I know what I learned, SWA DOT lobbying runs circles around anything we do, I think the slot swap finally being approved was greatly aided by the UCAL merger coming together and SWA getting slots from it as well as SWA merging with FL. As a political junkie I disagree on how much the airline industry plays in Presidential politics. I think it will be next to nothing. The Keystone pipeline...the CHS Boeing plant... AMR goes bankrupt? Hubs and assets split up? It won't register on the national or any state care-o-meter for three reasons... Second, unemployment is probably close to 11%, lots of people have lost jobs. No love lost towards "overpaid" and, according to Pan Am, oversexed airline employees. Third, a vast majority of AMR's passengers probably don't even know they're riding on a bankrupt airline and most know bankruptcy doesn't mean insolvency and liquidation. So what happens next is about as interesting to them as CSPAN and won't garner much attention. As far as the politics of "saving jobs" I agree no one in DC cares about any one airline. Pelosi and The Governator's baby is VX even though they directly replace higher paying jobs in the same districts. There are numerous other examples. An (IMO unlikely) AA liquidation or mass fragmentation will result in another start up ponzi scheme land grab that will result in the same amount of jobs in the end which is all the polititians care about. Weather (whether?) those jobs pay a lot less with far fewer benefits with everyone at year one longevity with new planes that don't need MX at sweetheart subsidized financing deals doesn't matter to DC. They will be the first to point to the giddy "pay for seniority" crowds that form lines out the door, around the block and up the expressway to apply for the same job at half the compensation just to purschase super premium seniority. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1122394)
Point being, an airline that does not charge these [bag] fees is coming to town.
I think the bag fee disparity favors DL far, far, far more than SW in ATL and elsewhere. Bring it. |
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