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80ktsClamp 02-03-2012 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1128589)
Perhaps you're both correct.

In my initial read, they seem to want to get the short term plus up from the WB ranks for the MD88/90 but, if there is any truth to the rumor of keeping the 9s a little longer and if there is truly a wave of hiring in our future, they wouldn't want to swap the training department with a massive wave of displacements.

So, this might lead to hiring. Of course, that is assuming anyone with an MBA is capable of thinking strategically as opposed to tactically.

Absolutely true. The wording was a bit confusing to say the least.

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iaflyer 02-03-2012 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1128621)
Absolutely true. The wording was a bit confusing to say the least.

Anyone who thought that we were moving up the ladder has got to realize that we're going backward. When the company is displacing off the higher-paying equipment to lower-paying equipment, that's not positive movement.

Doug Masters 02-03-2012 11:09 AM

Thread creep...

I have been downloading my schedule from icrewmax into a .ics file then into ical. This then went into my icloud and iphone. It worked until today, now it won't show up on icloud. Am i missing something? Thanks

More Bacon 02-03-2012 11:22 AM

Loved the "reduced rest after a redeye" paragraph near the end.

The company will drag its feet on implementing pilot-positive aspects of the new rules (i.e., no 24-hr int'l SC), but is falling over itself to figure out a way to fast-track less rest after a redeye.
Unbelievable.

Brocc15 02-03-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1128634)
Loved the "reduced rest after a redeye" paragraph near the end.

The company will drag its feet on implementing pilot-positive aspects of the new rules (i.e., no 24-hr int'l SC), but is falling over itself to figure out a way to fast-track less rest after a redeye.
Unbelievable.

Funny you say that because I took it as a good thing they decided not to work on that as of right now. If I showed that paragraph to friends at Continental I think they would faint. The idea of a company giving more rest than contractually required is unfathomable to them. And then the part about actually studying the affect on fatigue, wow I better keep that a secret so they don't self implode :p

formerdal 02-03-2012 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1128634)
Loved the "reduced rest after a redeye" paragraph near the end.

The company will drag its feet on implementing pilot-positive aspects of the new rules (i.e., no 24-hr int'l SC), but is falling over itself to figure out a way to fast-track less rest after a redeye.
Unbelievable.

Drag their feet how? The new rules aren't required to be implemented for 2 years...

scambo1 02-03-2012 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 1128648)
Drag their feet how? The new rules aren't required to be implemented for 2 years...


More to the point actually is that DALPA tells us that our contract provides protections which exceed the FTDT requirements. This may be true, but this is today. In 2 years when FTDT goes into effect, I would expect a full on assault from the company to reduce the contractual requirements to be more in line with FTDT.

Additionally, I would think that the company in C2012, would want to reduce the Captain headcount on flts in excess of 12 hrs. If you think you are stagnant today...

Just keep your eyes open.

The Cavalier 02-03-2012 12:42 PM

Hiring? Yeah I don't see it after reading the newsletter. I see more staus quo until the capacity reduction trend reverses. It's going to happen but I don't see it for 2013. In fact as a guy on the bottom, I see a 3rd displacement in my future.

acl65pilot 02-03-2012 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1128582)
I actually agree with you, although it's referring to the 737-900 deliveries which are still over a year away.

It could also be referring to displacing more widebody guys, though.


They are looking at firing up the hiring cog nlt than next year, but not at 1000 pilots per year as some have stated. (That said, the crew planning news seems to indicate a need for displacing more bodies, or hiring to fill the MD88/90 positions. I gather from their wording, they have not gotten the decision on which way they are going yet)

That said, we were actually short last year during the summer months. This year we will all be flying a lot again. Of course some more than others due to where the block hrs will be place.

When asking for a three year LOA, it was stated that they would not give a LOA that went past of next March, and that is when they project that the need for bodies will start.

That said, the government just stated that GDP growth is projected to be 2.2% this year and 1.2% next year. If that holds true, that is not even keep up with inflation, and these projections they have been looking at will change. Of course they are probably taking in to account the termination of the Bush era tax cuts at the end of the year in their 2013 GDP calculations.

acl65pilot 02-03-2012 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1128654)
More to the point actually is that DALPA tells us that our contract provides protections which exceed the FTDT requirements. This may be true, but this is today. In 2 years when FTDT goes into effect, I would expect a full on assault from the company to reduce the contractual requirements to be more in line with FTDT.

Additionally, I would think that the company in C2012, would want to reduce the Captain headcount on flts in excess of 12 hrs. If you think you are stagnant today...

Just keep your eyes open.


I agree with the ULH rules. Now that they are stating three B's and one A, I expect DAL to push for what the rest of the industry is doing. Thing is they stated they were doing it for safety, so that might be an interesting one to get around. Like you said, watch their feet. That is a ton of high paying seats.


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