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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1123012)

Since all of the above owe you something or another for protection and exceptional non-RNAV equipped operation, how much of a discount do you get from this list of cuts, newK?

I think they said I would get $264 million. ;)

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1122946)

How protected are they if Kelly decided to take AMR's place in OneWorld? Would SWAPA even have to be consulted given their current section one language? Is that a little short sighed given the fact that they are effectively maxed out in the domestic markets?

Lets see how SWAPA can deal with these issues. Labor peace and happiness is important to Kelly but to what extent? These questions above are ones that will test the very fiber of that relationship.

We don't have to "test the very fiber of that relationship", because we have already tackled these issues and written it into contractual language. This is in no way short sighted even if one truly believes SWA is in fact "maxed out in domestic markets." SWAPA has continually protected all flying that is in any way associated with Southwest. Any relationship SWA makes with other carriers MUST be approved by SWAPA. SWAPA reserves the right to decide what agreements will be in the best interest of SWAPA pilots.

2. Domestic Codeshare
Southwest Airlines will not enter into a domestic Codeshare Agreement within the fifty (50)
United States without the agreement of the Association.

5. Other Codeshare
The Company will not enter into any other Codeshare and/or Marketing Agreement (to
include far international Codeshare flying) unless expressly delineated above, without the
agreement of the Association.

“Codeshare Agreement” or “Marketing Agreement” means flying performed by another carrier
whereby the other carrier transports passengers and/or cargo pursuant to a code-share, marketing,
interline, joint venture, pro-rate, alliance or any other agreement or arrangement whereby another
carrier uses the Company’s designator codes or operates aircraft with the Company’s name, trade
name, logo, trade marks or service marks thereon or otherwise holds out to the public that the
Company or its Affiliate is performing or is otherwise associated with the flying.

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Originally Posted by contrails (Post 1122980)

Hold on a minute, just because DL doesn't have it doesn't mean it's a POS...I have read writeups on sites such as flyertalk about passengers now trying to book themselves on a 380 given a choice when it's convenient...after riding on it myself I must agree -- it is superior to everything else out there. Only the 787 might be able to compete in terms of cabin comfort.

DL needs to order some, or some 747-800s!

Except for that pesky wing crack thing. ;)

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1123019)

Except for that pesky wing crack thing. ;)

ain't no thing, Buzz!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bN9se-ul_a...0/ducttape.jpg

DTW in 1989 with some Douglas DC-10-40 awesomeness:

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1122964)

Well I would certainly hope not. But the real question is exactly how much higher are your expectations? If you're going to compare us to all the other carriers with bankruptcy contracts and minimize the comparison with SWA (our biggest competitor in our biggest hub), then that sounds like expectations of a pretty small pay increase. At least you're being consistent with all the official DALPA contract communications we've been getting. :eek:

My friends hired at Southwest about the same time I started here are making $150,000 - $160,000 / year. I made less than $100,000 in 2011. A 50-60 percent pay raise is not going to happen. I don't think a 20 percent raise is going to happen. Actually, I really think we'll be offered something like a 30 percent raise over the life of the contract. Will I vote "no?" Of course I will. I think everyone will. I also think in 4 years, we'll be working for the same wages we are working for now. Now a 20 percent raise up front will pass. There's no doubt in my mind.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1123035)

DTW in 1989 with some Douglas DC-10-40 awesomeness:

Right seat on that was the easiest job I've ever had. Great airplane.

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1123041)

What's it called when you continue to get raises every year until the next contract is signed?

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1122926)

Could you give me some examples of how pilot groups are playing tackle football and succeeding.? I don't mind changing tactics, but I have to have some evidence of success so you can prove to me your theory actually works.

This is my tally. If you take CAL, UAL, AMR, and LCC for the last four years, their total pay rates have increased by 1.5%, 1.5%, 1.5%, and 0% respectively. Our pay rates (including DC) have gone up by 27.5% on average in the same time frame and we added $750 million in merger stock. I see these great theories about how the hardball tactics are great, I just need some history of success to back up those theories.

OK. At NWA we did tackle football a lot. It was a way of life with that management team in order to stay near the top of the industry. UPS pilots have had to be almost as tough as we were, and UPS pilots are paid well. Same at FDX. SWA management did nothing about the scope violation that came with the AT merger...until SWAPA said you MUST get rid of the scope violation immediately. SWA management did just that. Delta pilots played tackle to defeat the attempted takeover by UsAirways...and it worked. Are those enough examples for you?

Carl

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1122944)

Things that make 80ktsclamp happy.

Miley Cirus and birthday cakes.

I gotta meet this Clamp guy one day. :D

Carl