Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1146016)

...and 20 years to upgrade. You've seen their retirement data?

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1146100)

The bolts just blew!!

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1146090)

For you junior guys thinking the -9 in ATL will be your salvation from a 15 year upgrade, forget it.

I predict that it doesn't go below 8000. Too many guys dealing with too many fogies for too long. Bet it goes way more senior than you think.

Nu

Originally Posted by CRJAV8OR (Post 1146122)

You are correct, seniority is where it's at. As a 20 year SWA F.O. you are bidding at the very top for everything including weekends off, Christmas off and premium open time. In this scenario you still make significantly more money over the same period of time and enjoy much higher seniority as a 20 year F.O. as opposed to a 20 year Captain. I won't even go into the additional time off over the life of a career.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1146130)

Once again, you're basing that on SWA pay rates remaining high. You're also basing it on SWA work rules remaining where they're at. That's a big gamble. And a lot of stagnation.

Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1145973)

Hmmm......ATL DC-9 Captain.....

So how junior will that go? Who wants to bid equipment that will disappear soon only to get displaced next year.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1146135)

Dal88? Hmmm:D

FB? Hmmmm. Nah he don't give a sh....:D

Seriously, its a new category so your current training freeze doesnt apply. If its your first DAL Capt job, your FAA capt check is done. If you dont like it, you only have to do it for a year 'cause its going away. And due to the way DAL trains, the two best deals at the airline are being the first on "new" equipment and last one to get off old equipment. When it goes away, you can bid whatever your seniority holds system wide. So, who wouldn't want to bid it? Besides me.

Originally Posted by CRJAV8OR (Post 1146134)

Bury your head if you must, but I am using status quo comparisons and you are speculating about what might happen at some point in the future. I will choose to believe the current reality until it is proven to change. I'm a realist. I also relish stagnating in the right seat for more money and better seniority.

Originally Posted by CRJAV8OR (Post 1146112)

The career earnings for a 20 year SWA F.O. using minimum guarantee and current F.O. pay rates on this forum-$2,554,344. Career earnings for a 20 year Delta pilot upgrading to Captain at year 10-$2,191,800. I started the Delta F.O. in the lowest paying equipment and moved to the next higher paying equipment every 2 years, and continued this progression at the 10 year switch to Captain pay rates. That is a $365,544 over the 20 year period. I would take that bet all day. Of course many will say the Delta rates will go up and the SWA rates will go down, but that is a gamble most betting folks would be willing to take. The SWA number is for minimum guarantee only. I will not speculate as to what each individual pilot will gross, but most pilots at SWA (including me) go well beyond guarantee on every paycheck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.