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The only baseline dates you have to use are 01-01-2011 through 12-31-2011.

4-5% per year is not a raise. It is treading water or losing money more often than not.

In my category daily there are 4 day 3 day 2 day and 1 day trips assigned, so I will be working everyday until I hit 81 points or until I have a 30 and 7 issue.

I thought the new score/bucket list was supposed to approximate 1/2 the month for the first bucket (ie < 35 hours), so looking at my raw with just under 35 hours, it is just under 80 points. I guess it works.

What does any of that have to do with our MEC getting confidential briefings from management?

I'll try to articulate some of my concerns about these closed meetings and the MEC getting "privileged" information from management. ---> I think some in our union leadership start to see themselves as some sort of quasi-executives in charge of pilot affairs. (the whole birthday party thing)
They then make decisions and take action on certain issues without line pilot input and they justify that by referring to information they have but can't disclose to the rank and file.
Also, I think they are kidding themselves if they don't think management is feeding them carefully selected information designed to influence their behavior. They have no way to verify if they are getting the whole picture.
What also bugs me is the reps may not be free to communicate openly on various issues to their constituents because the subject matter was discussed in one of these confidential briefings. Even if they would have known the basic facts without attending the closed meeting. Now they can't discuss it at all because they signed a paper saying they wouldn't.
Scope and codeshares and joint ventures are a perfect example. The things just seem to get signed without any input or opportunity for debate among line pilots. The enforcement and monitoring of the joint ventures is also a mystery wrapped in an enigma. Line pilots are left with "You'll just have to trust us, they are in compliance".

Sorry, I'm rambling. I just have a deep suspicion about the non-disclosure system.

Whatever. Ask the UAL pilot that's paid $35,000 less than you on the same aircraft while having 1400+ guys on the street if he'd think it was "treading water.":rolleyes:

Oh, there have been increases or partial restoration (whichever term soothes your psyche) every year since we left bankruptcy, so your baseline statement is, well, baseless. How's AMR's 52% increase coming?

Uh, I think my response was to George...?

To answer your question, I think you'd look at comparative results. Until Bates APA didn't even meet with management. How'd that work out for them? UAUA didn't have such a great relationship with their premerger management. How's their condition compared to your NDA restricted one?

Oh, SWAPA has a great relationship with their management. Looks like that worked pretty well in the AirTran merger. I'm interested in hearing examples where folks in similar circumstances who didn't sign NDA's got better results.

DAL to buy AMR? A whole thread dedicated to it!? You know what this means, like Jug said, we can move beyond the underboob Mods from above attack Bar scandal!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qA9YpmpJZM...ising_God_.jpg

Its an answer to Tebows.

And looks like it could be absolutely miserable to deal with. :( Whatever happened to organic growth?

I see what you are saying, so to me it seems junior reserves will work the first part of the month until 81 RAW and then the senior guys will work the second half until reaching 81 RAW, then back to the junior guys again. Doesn't seem like the best way to assign trips, I thought the old way worked better, but I do like the credit for SC and being able to YS specific rotations.

I remember reading AMR went into chapter 11, right?

Seems a bit of gloating Slow aimed at APA for the purpose of ensuring expectations are managed at DAL. Especially since I'd never ever compare RA's group to anything AMR or UAL or even CAL has had as of late. May have a lot to do with how things turned out for those groups and I woouldn't throw rocks at them and pound my chest.

I tell you what, if the opener DALPA comes ou... wait we won't see it... if the TA comes out with a 5% increase I'll give DALPA a great amount of credit.

It'd be 15% higher than I thought DALPA could achieve.

There, my expectations are well managed, congrats.

http://www.delta-pilots.org/storage/...=1304632779668