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Old 01-25-2012 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
So on your survey you put something well above 50% for a pay increase? And your expectations are consistent with what you put on the survey? Is that what you're saying, ACL?

This is really getting confusing. It seems like there could be two ACL's posting here. One "ACL" seems to have really low expectations and the other "ACL" seems to have really high expectations (even higher than mine ). Did someone hack your account, ACL? Or maybe you're just practicing for a career as a DC politician?
My first clue that this may be his goal is the way he uses 37 paragraphs to say what could be said in one sentence.

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Old 01-25-2012 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
Hold on a minute, just because DL doesn't have it doesn't mean it's a POS...I have read writeups on sites such as flyertalk about passengers now trying to book themselves on a 380 given a choice when it's convenient...after riding on it myself I must agree -- it is superior to everything else out there. Only the 787 might be able to compete in terms of cabin comfort.

DL needs to order some, or some 747-800s!
You mean the 747-8 that is range limited because a full tail tank causes flutter?

Just kidding, be careful what you wish for.

Right now DAL flies 2/3 of the EASK of the Transatlantic JV but is 6-8 percentage pointers below the EASK share of the European side.
Should Delta go to larger aircraft, and it will, the number of pilots required for Delta's Transatlantic service will go down significantly.
The most likely aircraft DAL will order near term is the 777-300 because it's seating capacity is right between the 744 and the 333. Unfortunately for pilot jobs it also has the most cargo volume of any of the others, even the A380. Since cargo capacity goes into the EASK formula, that means for production balance purposes one 777-300 will replace nearly 2 7ERs...

AFKLM/AZ plan for the next three years (2012-2014) to increase capacity by a just over 5% on a cumulative basis.
FWIW They did institute pay freezes at AF and reduced raises at KLM...
BTW How will the Alitalia Blue Panorama merger affect the production balance for the Transatlantic JV?

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Old 01-25-2012 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
And you're still missing (or ignoring) my point. This is Delta, not NWA. The Delta pilots are (hopefully) looking for restoration of our pre-BK (pre-pay cut) standard of living. It has nothing to do with NWA, Pan Am, Western, or any other airline that Delta has combined with in the past.

Are you saying you don't think the NWA pilots should have been compensated the same as us when they became Delta pilots?
The sad part is that the vast majority of NWA pilots were paid better prior to the pay rates that came with this merger. Comparatively low line values, 70 hour reserve guarantees and the "winner take all" concept of green slipping made it where I broke even with my NWA pay rates just last year. Many other NWA pilots who've been displaced to a lower category are still making less now than they did at NWA.

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Old 01-25-2012 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Talk about changing the subject. I said nothing about tactics. I challenged you on your assertion that we've had a 27.5% restoration of our pre-BK (pre-pay cut) standard of living at Delta. Sorry, but that just doesn't fly. However, this flag does:

Man you are on a roll tonight. Funny stuff!

Carl
Old 01-26-2012 | 03:24 AM
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I actually feel a little bad for the guys. They have to fly CRJ-200's into airports that were meant for Beech 1900's and Dash-8's.

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Old 01-26-2012 | 03:51 AM
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Old 01-26-2012 | 03:52 AM
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I believe at least one of them slid off a taxiway. Then again, the company will sweep it under the rug and we will never learn about or hear about it.

No excuses for going off a taxiway, however I know at minimum that Alpena is a ******* hole. Heck, the FAA stepped in and had to make sure the station was properly trained on de-icing procedures... Since no one was.

Even the bigger airports try to get away with crap: Madison Wisconsin said the the middle 50 ft of the runway had been cleaned but the fact that the brakes were mashed to full and the aircraft began weather-vaning when the TRs deployed says otherwise.
Old 01-26-2012 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The sad part is that the vast majority of NWA pilots were paid better prior to the pay rates that came with this merger. Comparatively low line values, 70 hour reserve guarantees and the "winner take all" concept of green slipping made it where I broke even with my NWA pay rates just last year. Many other NWA pilots who've been displaced to a lower category are still making less now than they did at NWA.

Carl

The two contracts were carefully compared by both committees. The average total hours paid under each contract during the 3 years prior to the merger were within .5 hours of each other with the Delta contract slightly higher. You can ask the people involved at NW for the exact numbers Carl.
Yes NW had some aspects that produced increases Delta did not have. However Delta had a bunch of aspects to their contract NW did not have. Examples include a higher reserve guarantee for NW. However that was offset by reroute pay, reserve duty period lookback, additional pay for long call trips under 12 hours, pay on top of the guarantee for GS flying ect..
NW got limited pay above 80 hours at time and a half however it was not as posted often on all flying. There was a system that for practical purposes limited the hours depending on the caps. Delta paid double pay on all GS flying. In the end when everything was added up each contract produced essentially the same pay hours per month per pilot.
The Delta 1113 contract was however much shorter duration then the NW contract with higher rates. The much shorter duration of the Delta contract was a critical item. Carl claims he made more as a NW pilot but the facts don't support his case.
Premerger the NW pay rate on the 757 as a example was 142 dollars an hour. There were some small raise built into the NW contract so the rate today would be around 148 to 150. I don't have the exact numbers. The rate in effect today with the joint contract is 189 an hour or over 25 percent higher.
Carl was getting 177 an hour at the merger as a 747 Captain. He currently with international pay is getting 231.75 an hour. He is also getting a additional 1 percent a hour into retirement which will jump to 14 percent in 11 months or an additional 32 dollars an hour if Carl was a 0 percenter in the NW matrix. That would bring his total raise on 1 Jan 13 to 87 dollars an hour. With the raises in the NW contract he will still be 80 dollars an hour ahead.
Old 01-26-2012 | 04:06 AM
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Random observation #167.

Two things I hate about reaching the hotel after an all-nighter: 1) no Do Not Disturb sign and, 2) a remote control that doesn't work.

Living the dream baby!

Carry on.
Old 01-26-2012 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
Are you really willing to give up two more years JUST for money. We have a LOT of things that we've already been waiting to be fixed. Only money is not enough for my vote - we need work rule improvements (why do we watch CQ and only get 1 min of pay for 3 min of work, how can we spend 4 hours in the sim working our butts off and only get 3:15 of pay, and a bunch more). We shouldn't wait two more years JUST for pay - let's not get bought off again.

Agreed. Lets focus on the total package. I'm not concerned with an hourly rate as much as I am my W2.
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