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Old 01-25-2012, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
On a much more positive note, what is the formula for figuring out how much we will be getting in profit sharing?
* Divide your yearly gross by 5%.
* Subtract 55% for taxes.
* Subtract 35% for ALPA dues
* Subtract 20% for DPA dues
* Subtract 10% for accounting fees.
* Subtract 10% for lawyer fees.

So, the answer is nothing.

*If your wife knows about it, you will come out in the red for sure. But, you will have a nice new couch to sit on.
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
On a much more positive note, what is the formula for figuring out how much we will be getting in profit sharing?
.0485 x your gross pay in 2011, found on your DEC 31st check. Then x that by .6 to see what you may take home.
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow View Post
* Divide your yearly gross by 5%.
* Subtract 55% for taxes.
* Subtract 35% for ALPA dues
* Subtract 20% for DPA dues
* Subtract 10% for accounting fees.
* Subtract 10% for lawyer fees.

So, the answer is nothing.

*If your wife knows about it, you will come out in the red for sure. But, you will have a nice new couch to sit on.
Since all of the above owe you something or another for protection and exceptional non-RNAV equipped operation, how much of a discount do you get from this list of cuts, newK?
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg View Post
.0485 x your gross pay in 2011, found on your DEC 31st check. Then x that by .6 to see what you may take home.
That's much simpler than what newK said. Hmmm.
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
Since all of the above owe you something or another for protection and exceptional non-RNAV equipped operation, how much of a discount do you get from this list of cuts, newK?

I think they said I would get $264 million.
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:53 PM
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How protected are they if Kelly decided to take AMR's place in OneWorld? Would SWAPA even have to be consulted given their current section one language? Is that a little short sighed given the fact that they are effectively maxed out in the domestic markets?

Lets see how SWAPA can deal with these issues. Labor peace and happiness is important to Kelly but to what extent? These questions above are ones that will test the very fiber of that relationship.
We don't have to "test the very fiber of that relationship", because we have already tackled these issues and written it into contractual language. This is in no way short sighted even if one truly believes SWA is in fact "maxed out in domestic markets." SWAPA has continually protected all flying that is in any way associated with Southwest. Any relationship SWA makes with other carriers MUST be approved by SWAPA. SWAPA reserves the right to decide what agreements will be in the best interest of SWAPA pilots.

2. Domestic Codeshare
Southwest Airlines will not enter into a domestic Codeshare Agreement within the fifty (50)
United States without the agreement of the Association.

5. Other Codeshare
The Company will not enter into any other Codeshare and/or Marketing Agreement (to
include far international Codeshare flying) unless expressly delineated above, without the
agreement of the Association.

“Codeshare Agreement” or “Marketing Agreement” means flying performed by another carrier
whereby the other carrier transports passengers and/or cargo pursuant to a code-share, marketing,
interline, joint venture, pro-rate, alliance or any other agreement or arrangement whereby another
carrier uses the Company’s designator codes or operates aircraft with the Company’s name, trade
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Company or its Affiliate is performing or is otherwise associated with the flying.
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Hold on a minute, just because DL doesn't have it doesn't mean it's a POS...I have read writeups on sites such as flyertalk about passengers now trying to book themselves on a 380 given a choice when it's convenient...after riding on it myself I must agree -- it is superior to everything else out there. Only the 787 might be able to compete in terms of cabin comfort.

DL needs to order some, or some 747-800s!
Except for that pesky wing crack thing.
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Old 01-25-2012, 09:08 PM
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Except for that pesky wing crack thing.
ain't no thing, Buzz!

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Old 01-25-2012, 09:35 PM
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DTW in 1989 with some Douglas DC-10-40 awesomeness:

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver View Post
Well I would certainly hope not. But the real question is exactly how much higher are your expectations? If you're going to compare us to all the other carriers with bankruptcy contracts and minimize the comparison with SWA (our biggest competitor in our biggest hub), then that sounds like expectations of a pretty small pay increase. At least you're being consistent with all the official DALPA contract communications we've been getting.
My friends hired at Southwest about the same time I started here are making $150,000 - $160,000 / year. I made less than $100,000 in 2011. A 50-60 percent pay raise is not going to happen. I don't think a 20 percent raise is going to happen. Actually, I really think we'll be offered something like a 30 percent raise over the life of the contract. Will I vote "no?" Of course I will. I think everyone will. I also think in 4 years, we'll be working for the same wages we are working for now. Now a 20 percent raise up front will pass. There's no doubt in my mind.
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