Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-05-2012, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
Do FO's still get a PIC type in the 737 for initial training?
03-05-2012, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Dunno if anyone noticed this, but you recently (this week) lost another newhire FO to Southwest.
Originally Posted by tsquare
Oh well... He made a mistake.
Smart move. Delta will increasingly be used as a training ground while awaiting SWA, FDX, UPS and the high paying foreign airlines. Get used to it. Management couldn't care less.
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03-05-2012, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJAV8OR
The career earnings for a 20 year SWA F.O. using minimum guarantee and current F.O. pay rates on this forum-$2,554,344. Career earnings for a 20 year Delta pilot upgrading to Captain at year 10-$2,191,800. I started the Delta F.O. in the lowest paying equipment and moved to the next higher paying equipment every 2 years, and continued this progression at the 10 year switch to Captain pay rates. That is a $365,544 over the 20 year period. I would take that bet all day. Of course many will say the Delta rates will go up and the SWA rates will go down, but that is a gamble most betting folks would be willing to take. The SWA number is for minimum guarantee only. I will not speculate as to what each individual pilot will gross, but most pilots at SWA (including me) go well beyond guarantee on every paycheck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
03-05-2012, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Big gamble IMO. Opportunity for advancement is much better at Delta then SWA. Payrates come and go. Seniority is where it's at.
03-05-2012, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
...and 20 years to upgrade. You've seen their retirement data?
03-05-2012, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
The bolts just blew!!
03-05-2012, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
For you junior guys thinking the -9 in ATL will be your salvation from a 15 year upgrade, forget it.
I predict that it doesn't go below 8000. Too many guys dealing with too many fogies for too long. Bet it goes way more senior than you think.
Nu
I predict that it doesn't go below 8000. Too many guys dealing with too many fogies for too long. Bet it goes way more senior than you think.
Nu
) may actually entertain it.
03-05-2012, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJAV8OR
You are correct, seniority is where it's at. As a 20 year SWA F.O. you are bidding at the very top for everything including weekends off, Christmas off and premium open time. In this scenario you still make significantly more money over the same period of time and enjoy much higher seniority as a 20 year F.O. as opposed to a 20 year Captain. I won't even go into the additional time off over the life of a career.
03-05-2012, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Once again, you're basing that on SWA pay rates remaining high. You're also basing it on SWA work rules remaining where they're at. That's a big gamble. And a lot of stagnation.
03-05-2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Hmmm......ATL DC-9 Captain.....
So how junior will that go? Who wants to bid equipment that will disappear soon only to get displaced next year.
So how junior will that go? Who wants to bid equipment that will disappear soon only to get displaced next year.
Dal88? Hmmm
FB? Hmmmm. Nah he don't give a sh....
Seriously, its a new category so your current training freeze doesnt apply. If its your first DAL Capt job, your FAA capt check is done. If you dont like it, you only have to do it for a year 'cause its going away. And due to the way DAL trains, the two best deals at the airline are being the first on "new" equipment and last one to get off old equipment. When it goes away, you can bid whatever your seniority holds system wide. So, who wouldn't want to bid it? Besides me.
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