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03-05-2012 | 12:32 PM

#91721

johnso29

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From: B757/767

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Originally Posted by trico

We just follow you RNAV equipped guys..don't tell anyone but I've actually done that in holding patterns

That's what I alway did while flying the DC9-osaur!

03-05-2012 | 12:35 PM

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Elvis90

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From: MSP7ERB

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Originally Posted by johnso29

There are only two fleets FO's don't get typed on, and they are both made by the same manufacturer. McDonnell Douglas

I don't get it...I got a DC-9 type in Nov after going through training, SIC of course. Same thing when I did the A320.

03-05-2012 | 12:40 PM

#91723

80ktsClamp

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From: Poodle Whisperer

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Originally Posted by Elvis90

I don't get it...I got a DC-9 type in Nov after going through training, SIC of course. Same thing when I did the A320.

They are talking about PIC types.

03-05-2012 | 12:41 PM

#91724

ExAF

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From: Retired

Me Too

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Originally Posted by Ferd149

I'm sure.........and I was making fun of the movie line, the real guy had to be something special to get to that level to begin with.

I'm a huge movie fan. No movie is true to the real story, the best they can be is "based on" a real life incident. "Red Tails," currently in theaters, is a fine example of a major disappointment.

CGI never overcomes poor writing.

Ferd

Me too. Just quoting and making fun of the movie....no harm or disrespect meant to Gus. After the reviews I've heard, I'm waiting for Red Tails to come out on HBO/Showtime.

03-05-2012 | 12:43 PM

#91725

CRJAV8OR

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From: 737 F.O.

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Originally Posted by johnso29

I'm burying my head in the sand? Compare scheduled retirements over the next twenty years. Those aren't speculation. Neither is stating that SWA pay and work rules will change. Those are facts. You're being much less of a realist then you think.

Scheduled retirements will obviously help you get to the left seat quicker, are you stating that a new hire at Delta will be in the left seat in less than 10 years? I thought I was being generous with a 10 year upgrade timetable, maybe I'm wrong.
Of course pay and work rules will change, they always do in section 6. The question is will yours get significantly better (I believe there is a good chance they will) and will ours get significantly worse (I believe we will achieve status quo or better). Only time will tell but I am a lot less worried about the risk of a small erosion than I would be betting on huge gains in this economy combined with the AA debacle that is occuring.

03-05-2012 | 12:45 PM

#91726

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by CRJAV8OR

The career earnings for a 20 year SWA F.O. using minimum guarantee and current F.O. pay rates on this forum-$2,554,344. Career earnings for a 20 year Delta pilot upgrading to Captain at year 10-$2,191,800. I started the Delta F.O. in the lowest paying equipment and moved to the next higher paying equipment every 2 years, and continued this progression at the 10 year switch to Captain pay rates. That is a $365,544 over the 20 year period. I would take that bet all day. Of course many will say the Delta rates will go up and the SWA rates will go down, but that is a gamble most betting folks would be willing to take. The SWA number is for minimum guarantee only. I will not speculate as to what each individual pilot will gross, but most pilots at SWA (including me) go well beyond guarantee on every paycheck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Good for you. I am impressed. I still think he made a mistake. He will realize that in 15 years. Look at this point in time 1this is degenerating into nothing more than wild rampant speculation. All I said in my original post was that I think he made a mistake. Those of you that choose to look only at the money and ignore the dynamic nature of the industry.. well that's your opinion. I stand by my statement, and he will probably realise it in LESS than 15 years. I also stand by my statement that I couldn't care less that he left. He just opened up a job for somebody else that wants to be here.

Those that choose to ignore history...

03-05-2012 | 12:45 PM

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80ktsClamp

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My point about WN was that they are betting on an airline who's growth machine is maxed out, the new non-visionary CEO is already talking about keeping pilot costs in order, they had to merge to get any sort of expansion, and they have the worst mandatory retirement outlook in the industry (which really is the only guaranteed thing).

Betting on their contract staying above everyone else for the next 20 years is like acting on advice you get from a fortune cookie. There is no validity to any statement on the airline industry that far out.

03-05-2012 | 12:46 PM

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Elvis90

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From: MSP7ERB

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

They are talking about PIC types.

Ahhh...got it, thanks.

03-05-2012 | 12:48 PM

#91729

trico

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Originally Posted by Scoop

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As to whether he made a mistake or the smartest move of his career - I don't think anyone can positively answer that question so we can revisit that again in 20 years.

Scoop

So true. My college roommate was in newhire USAir class in the late 80's and one of his classmates left indoc when SW called with a class date. I would guess 99.999% of USAir guys thought he was off his rocker...just shows to go you that sometimes the herd is full of herd poop.

03-05-2012 | 12:58 PM

#91730

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

No he didn't. He joined Delta and built up some solid 121 time while he waited for a proper paying airline that has management that wants to run an airline versus a ticket brokerage. He'll now be part of a union that values scope above all else, and have 100% of his union dues going toward his own pilots.

Smart move. Delta will increasingly be used as a training ground while awaiting SWA, FDX, UPS and the high paying foreign airlines. Get used to it. Management couldn't care less.

Carl

Hey Carl, your love affair with SWA is second only to your love affair with DPA. Of course in your mind he made the right decision. Whatever makes you feel better. Maybe it WAS a smart move for him.. maybe he lives in a SWA base, and will be able to drive to work.. and maybe he loves throwing gear on a 737... who knows? I still don't care.. that was all I said. But just stop with the propaganda for once.. please.... Your badmouthing DAL at every opportuniuty is just getting old. We get it.. DAL sucks.. NWA was a far better airline... quack quack quack. I don't agree with your premise that DAL will be a training ground. I think you are wrong. Time will tell. Have a wonderful Delta Day.. I am out of this ridiculous argument.