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02-29-2012 | 07:12 AM
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02-29-2012 | 07:14 AM
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"You told me I would always be your escort! Now you start using Huggy's hookers!! And now you want me to do this for the same price!?
And you've got Huggy Bear telling me it's the only way!?
And I thought you said you loved me!?"
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02-29-2012 | 07:14 AM
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02-29-2012 | 07:16 AM
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Source material:
Now if only I could find some hooker related .gif's of grand theft auto. The only thing I keep finding is this:
Stupid keyword search. It should be able to read my mind, like vnav.
Now if only I could find some hooker related .gif's of grand theft auto. The only thing I keep finding is this:
Stupid keyword search. It should be able to read my mind, like vnav.
02-29-2012 | 07:24 AM
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Tsquare, I am not throwing rocks at senior pilots. You seem to have an attitude that there is nothing better than Delta when people mentioned foreign contracts... it maybe for you. I just mentioned that your situation is very different than mine. As a widebody captain, you will have a better career by staying at Delta. As a junior FO, I will be better off somewhere else if the next contract does not show significant gains. My only 'ultimatum' as you put it, is a personal decision. While many mouth off and live under an inferior contract, I will just walk away.
I have nothing against going to fly a contract gig. I am just amazed why anyone would want to go live in the planet's anus, but like you said, to each his own. I have even thought about going to Asia at some point for a contract towards the end of my career. I lived in the PI for 3 years a lifetime ago, and Korea or China might be fun..
Entitlement issues? Just because I want a decent contract? So what do you want me to do to 'redeem' myself of the entitlement attitude? Accept a 'B' scale? I worked very hard to make it to Delta. My path to the airline cockpit included starvation, rooflessness and a bunch of other sacrifices. I still work very hard. I have made a very decent living outside of my Delta paycheck and employed a number of people... not because I'm sitting on my butt with entitlement issues but beacuse I work hard and I am ambitious.
Good for you, I am glad that you are doing what many of us did when we were at the same point in our careers as you are now. Been there done that.. have the T shirt. I remember a retired pilot coming in to my new hire class and telling us that he was envious of the most junior pilot in the room because he had his whole career ahead of him. When I see posts like yours, I know exactly what he meant. in a few years, you will too...
And no... I am not a new-hire. But not too far from the bottom. When I said I will be very close to the bottom on furlough... it is relative. It depends on how many they put on the street (if they do it). But I will take a voluntary furlough if that happens and will be out with the first wave.
Again, I wish you all the best.
At the end of the day tsquare... I am your best friend. Voting with your feet is the best way to restore a decent contract for the remaining folks. By me and some others leaving Delta, you will indirectly benefit.
Don't inflate the importance of your leaving.. just sayin'... There are thousands of guys that would kill to have your seniority number. We are all just a number, and we are all replaceable.
I just took exception to you referring to C2K as OUR payrates when it seems that you weren't even here for that. You have never enjoyed those fruits, yet you act as if they are your birthright, and that is where I found the entitlement mentality. No, I am not advocating any kind of B scale for you or any junior pilot. Just stop talking like the company owes YOU something or you will leave. I promise you that they couldn't care less.
I have nothing against going to fly a contract gig. I am just amazed why anyone would want to go live in the planet's anus, but like you said, to each his own. I have even thought about going to Asia at some point for a contract towards the end of my career. I lived in the PI for 3 years a lifetime ago, and Korea or China might be fun..
Entitlement issues? Just because I want a decent contract? So what do you want me to do to 'redeem' myself of the entitlement attitude? Accept a 'B' scale? I worked very hard to make it to Delta. My path to the airline cockpit included starvation, rooflessness and a bunch of other sacrifices. I still work very hard. I have made a very decent living outside of my Delta paycheck and employed a number of people... not because I'm sitting on my butt with entitlement issues but beacuse I work hard and I am ambitious.
Good for you, I am glad that you are doing what many of us did when we were at the same point in our careers as you are now. Been there done that.. have the T shirt. I remember a retired pilot coming in to my new hire class and telling us that he was envious of the most junior pilot in the room because he had his whole career ahead of him. When I see posts like yours, I know exactly what he meant. in a few years, you will too...
And no... I am not a new-hire. But not too far from the bottom. When I said I will be very close to the bottom on furlough... it is relative. It depends on how many they put on the street (if they do it). But I will take a voluntary furlough if that happens and will be out with the first wave.
Again, I wish you all the best.
At the end of the day tsquare... I am your best friend. Voting with your feet is the best way to restore a decent contract for the remaining folks. By me and some others leaving Delta, you will indirectly benefit.
Don't inflate the importance of your leaving.. just sayin'... There are thousands of guys that would kill to have your seniority number. We are all just a number, and we are all replaceable.
I just took exception to you referring to C2K as OUR payrates when it seems that you weren't even here for that. You have never enjoyed those fruits, yet you act as if they are your birthright, and that is where I found the entitlement mentality. No, I am not advocating any kind of B scale for you or any junior pilot. Just stop talking like the company owes YOU something or you will leave. I promise you that they couldn't care less.
02-29-2012 | 07:25 AM
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02-29-2012 | 07:33 AM
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I have been here a long time. I have never seen a contract completed less then 18 months past the amendable date and those were simple compared to this contract. The NMB gave a brief to the MEC in Jan. They put the powerpoint presentation on the website with some timeline information. Every pilot should review what the NMB put out. The history of pilot contracts over the last 15 years is easily available. Nothing has happened fast. Several contracts have exceeded 5 years.
RA feels we are paid about right at the moment. He is on record stating that. He has over and over again stressed that Delta will only pay industry average wages not industry leading. If he gives us a industry leading contract he is going to have to follow up by doing the same for all employees or face having Delta once again become a very poor performing airline. The cost would be very high.
His last talk at the LCA meeting he stressed improvements over time and discussed the AMR situation and what the union passed up at length. The implied message was obvious to every in attendance. If we want a 4, 4, 4, 4 contract with no change in other areas we can have it done close to the amendable date. I will not accept that type of contract and I doubt the majority of the pilot group will accept it.
This forum makes light of pilot costs as a issue in the success of the airline. I can assure you that management has a vastly different view. This is a brutal industry selling a commodity. When you sell a commodity you had better be priced within pennies of the competition or your not going to last. The gains this pilot group wants and deserves are not going to come easy or quick. Its going to be a long hard struggle over many years. To believe anything else is a fantasy.
A year ago I would have given us a much better chance of a quick contract. I thought AMR would get a deal done as well as UAL/CAL. It now appears they are both going no where fast or in the case of AMR no where good. A lot has changed. Prepare yourself for a long fight. Get set financially. If Delta does not meet your needs and you have better options now I would jump all over that. I will hopefully only be around another 3 years. I am about done with my career and I don't want another flying job. I don't understand why the younger pilots on this forum are sticking around if they even believe half of what they post and hate the job and Delta as much as they say.
RA feels we are paid about right at the moment. He is on record stating that. He has over and over again stressed that Delta will only pay industry average wages not industry leading. If he gives us a industry leading contract he is going to have to follow up by doing the same for all employees or face having Delta once again become a very poor performing airline. The cost would be very high.
His last talk at the LCA meeting he stressed improvements over time and discussed the AMR situation and what the union passed up at length. The implied message was obvious to every in attendance. If we want a 4, 4, 4, 4 contract with no change in other areas we can have it done close to the amendable date. I will not accept that type of contract and I doubt the majority of the pilot group will accept it.
This forum makes light of pilot costs as a issue in the success of the airline. I can assure you that management has a vastly different view. This is a brutal industry selling a commodity. When you sell a commodity you had better be priced within pennies of the competition or your not going to last. The gains this pilot group wants and deserves are not going to come easy or quick. Its going to be a long hard struggle over many years. To believe anything else is a fantasy.
A year ago I would have given us a much better chance of a quick contract. I thought AMR would get a deal done as well as UAL/CAL. It now appears they are both going no where fast or in the case of AMR no where good. A lot has changed. Prepare yourself for a long fight. Get set financially. If Delta does not meet your needs and you have better options now I would jump all over that. I will hopefully only be around another 3 years. I am about done with my career and I don't want another flying job. I don't understand why the younger pilots on this forum are sticking around if they even believe half of what they post and hate the job and Delta as much as they say.
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02-29-2012 | 07:38 AM
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02-29-2012 | 07:46 AM
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I have been here a long time. I have never seen a contract completed less then 18 months past the amendable date and those were simple compared to this contract. The NMB gave a brief to the MEC in Jan. They put the powerpoint presentation on the website with some timeline information. Every pilot should review what the NMB put out. The history of pilot contracts over the last 15 years is easily available. Nothing has happened fast. Several contracts have exceeded 5 years.
RA feels we are paid about right at the moment. He is on record stating that. He has over and over again stressed that Delta will only pay industry average wages not industry leading. If he gives us a industry leading contract he is going to have to follow up by doing the same for all employees or face having Delta once again become a very poor performing airline. The cost would be very high.
His last talk at the LCA meeting he stressed improvements over time and discussed the AMR situation and what the union passed up at length. The implied message was obvious to every in attendance. If we want a 4, 4, 4, 4 contract with no change in other areas we can have it done close to the amendable date. I will not accept that type of contract and I doubt the majority of the pilot group will accept it.
This forum makes light of pilot costs as a issue in the success of the airline. I can assure you that management has a vastly different view. This is a brutal industry selling a commodity. When you sell a commodity you had better be priced within pennies of the competition or your not going to last. The gains this pilot group wants and deserves are not going to come easy or quick. Its going to be a long hard struggle over many years. To believe anything else is a fantasy.
A year ago I would have given us a much better chance of a quick contract. I thought AMR would get a deal done as well as UAL/CAL. It now appears they are both going no where fast or in the case of AMR no where good. A lot has changed. Prepare yourself for a long fight. Get set financially. If Delta does not meet your needs and you have better options now I would jump all over that. I will hopefully only be around another 3 years. I am about done with my career and I don't want another flying job. I don't understand why the younger pilots on this forum are sticking around if they even believe half of what they post and hate the job and Delta as much as they say.
RA feels we are paid about right at the moment. He is on record stating that. He has over and over again stressed that Delta will only pay industry average wages not industry leading. If he gives us a industry leading contract he is going to have to follow up by doing the same for all employees or face having Delta once again become a very poor performing airline. The cost would be very high.
His last talk at the LCA meeting he stressed improvements over time and discussed the AMR situation and what the union passed up at length. The implied message was obvious to every in attendance. If we want a 4, 4, 4, 4 contract with no change in other areas we can have it done close to the amendable date. I will not accept that type of contract and I doubt the majority of the pilot group will accept it.
This forum makes light of pilot costs as a issue in the success of the airline. I can assure you that management has a vastly different view. This is a brutal industry selling a commodity. When you sell a commodity you had better be priced within pennies of the competition or your not going to last. The gains this pilot group wants and deserves are not going to come easy or quick. Its going to be a long hard struggle over many years. To believe anything else is a fantasy.
A year ago I would have given us a much better chance of a quick contract. I thought AMR would get a deal done as well as UAL/CAL. It now appears they are both going no where fast or in the case of AMR no where good. A lot has changed. Prepare yourself for a long fight. Get set financially. If Delta does not meet your needs and you have better options now I would jump all over that. I will hopefully only be around another 3 years. I am about done with my career and I don't want another flying job. I don't understand why the younger pilots on this forum are sticking around if they even believe half of what they post and hate the job and Delta as much as they say.
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02-29-2012 | 08:00 AM
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You guys are just all so negative!
Let's celebrate the new jet delivered today!
Is this "Winning New York?" ;-)
Brand new A330-300 delivered today, it's practically ours...
Cheers
George
Let's celebrate the new jet delivered today!
Is this "Winning New York?" ;-)
Brand new A330-300 delivered today, it's practically ours...
Cheers
George
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