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Old 02-29-2012, 06:40 AM
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Why oh why is this thug so popular? I don't get it....
Huggy Bear Brown?
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:41 AM
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This is very telling. From what I can gather from these two posts, you are a classic study in the entitlement mentality, and I am sure that you have no qualms about throwing rocks at more senior pilots because "they got theirs". To wit: You said in your first post that if contract 2012 does not restore OUR pay, then you are out the door. In post number two you reiterate that you would be subject to furlough. Since the contract that reduced OUR pay was over 10 years ago, and if you truly are as close to furlough as you intimate, then you never enjoyed the fruits of that contract in C2K, so now you feel entitled to those same fruits. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see you get paid what a newhire (since essentially that is what you are) was paid in the right seat of the 767, but you are issuing an ultimatum to get something you never had... THat is why I wish you the best of luck.
Tsquare, I am not throwing rocks at senior pilots. You seem to have an attitude that there is nothing better than Delta when people mentioned foreign contracts... it maybe for you. I just mentioned that your situation is very different than mine. As a widebody captain, you will have a better career by staying at Delta. As a junior FO, I will be better off somewhere else if the next contract does not show significant gains. My only 'ultimatum' as you put it, is a personal decision. While many mouth off and live under an inferior contract, I will just walk away.

Entitlement issues? Just because I want a decent contract? So what do you want me to do to 'redeem' myself of the entitlement attitude? Accept a 'B' scale? I worked very hard to make it to Delta. My path to the airline cockpit included starvation, rooflessness and a bunch of other sacrifices. I still work very hard. I have made a very decent living outside of my Delta paycheck and employed a number of people... not because I'm sitting on my butt with entitlement issues but beacuse I work hard and I am ambitious.

And no... I am not a new-hire. But not too far from the bottom. When I said I will be very close to the bottom on furlough... it is relative. It depends on how many they put on the street (if they do it). But I will take a voluntary furlough if that happens and will be out with the first wave.

At the end of the day tsquare... I am your best friend. Voting with your feet is the best way to restore a decent contract for the remaining folks. By me and some others leaving Delta, you will indirectly benefit.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse View Post
What are you willing to give up for that?
Nothing. It is just the right thing to do. That point is often forgotten in present day business. Linear gains for the employees helps sell your product especially when implemented across all industries.

We are quickly approaching a point where the middle class will not have enough expendable income and their credit will dry up. At that point many businesses will fail because the machine that buys their products is no longer present.

You must feed the had that feeds the business machine in this country, and that point is often forgotten.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:05 AM
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The way I've decided to play this for now is to seek as long a leave of absence as the Company will allow and work elsewhere. As long as reserves are not being utilized getting paid by two, or three, jobs results in earnings about where a guy should be for this level of age, education and overall level of decrepitude ... When displaced, simply request the LOA for the day training starts... as long as Delta doesn't need me, I'm going to try not to need Delta. When Delta does need pilots, it might be nice to dust off this seniority number and go flying.
^^^ That is what is nice right now. I was going to take a leave last November, but there is no need to right now. You can bid reserve, PD anything you want, and keep all your benefits. As long as we stay somewhat overstaffed I don't see why any sane person would leave.

My number one goal in life the next two years is to make sure that I rely exactly 0% on Delta for anything other than a supplemental source of income and travel benefits.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
Huggy Bear Brown?
My bad.. I thought that was Snoop Doggy Doo....
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:14 AM
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"You told me I would always be your escort! Now you start using Huggy's hookers!! And now you want me to do this for the same price!?

And you've got Huggy Bear telling me it's the only way!?

And I thought you said you loved me!?"




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Old 02-29-2012, 07:14 AM
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My bad.. I thought that was Snoop Doggy Doo....
It is. But it's snoop dogg as Huggy Bear Brown from Starsky and Hutch.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:16 AM
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Now if only I could find some hooker related .gif's of grand theft auto. The only thing I keep finding is this:



Stupid keyword search. It should be able to read my mind, like vnav.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:24 AM
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Tsquare, I am not throwing rocks at senior pilots. You seem to have an attitude that there is nothing better than Delta when people mentioned foreign contracts... it maybe for you. I just mentioned that your situation is very different than mine. As a widebody captain, you will have a better career by staying at Delta. As a junior FO, I will be better off somewhere else if the next contract does not show significant gains. My only 'ultimatum' as you put it, is a personal decision. While many mouth off and live under an inferior contract, I will just walk away.

I have nothing against going to fly a contract gig. I am just amazed why anyone would want to go live in the planet's anus, but like you said, to each his own. I have even thought about going to Asia at some point for a contract towards the end of my career. I lived in the PI for 3 years a lifetime ago, and Korea or China might be fun..

Entitlement issues? Just because I want a decent contract? So what do you want me to do to 'redeem' myself of the entitlement attitude? Accept a 'B' scale? I worked very hard to make it to Delta. My path to the airline cockpit included starvation, rooflessness and a bunch of other sacrifices. I still work very hard. I have made a very decent living outside of my Delta paycheck and employed a number of people... not because I'm sitting on my butt with entitlement issues but beacuse I work hard and I am ambitious.

Good for you, I am glad that you are doing what many of us did when we were at the same point in our careers as you are now. Been there done that.. have the T shirt. I remember a retired pilot coming in to my new hire class and telling us that he was envious of the most junior pilot in the room because he had his whole career ahead of him. When I see posts like yours, I know exactly what he meant. in a few years, you will too...


And no... I am not a new-hire. But not too far from the bottom. When I said I will be very close to the bottom on furlough... it is relative. It depends on how many they put on the street (if they do it). But I will take a voluntary furlough if that happens and will be out with the first wave.

Again, I wish you all the best.

At the end of the day tsquare... I am your best friend. Voting with your feet is the best way to restore a decent contract for the remaining folks. By me and some others leaving Delta, you will indirectly benefit.

Don't inflate the importance of your leaving.. just sayin'... There are thousands of guys that would kill to have your seniority number. We are all just a number, and we are all replaceable.

I just took exception to you referring to C2K as OUR payrates when it seems that you weren't even here for that. You have never enjoyed those fruits, yet you act as if they are your birthright, and that is where I found the entitlement mentality. No, I am not advocating any kind of B scale for you or any junior pilot. Just stop talking like the company owes YOU something or you will leave. I promise you that they couldn't care less.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
It is. But it's snoop dogg as Huggy Bear Brown from Starsky and Hutch.
So my question WAS valid... why is that thug so popular?
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