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01-25-2012 | 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

When is SWAPA going to be there to provide the facts/details of our industry's leading pilot contract? Are they on the agenda for tomorrow?

Lets see how well SWAPA does now that they are facing higher costs and a rational playing field. If anything their "darling" status as an independent union is about to get tested.

01-25-2012 | 06:51 PM

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Oh... and are the "DAL leaders" there to corroborate ALPA's EF&A analysis? Or is it the other way around?

ALPA's ef&a keeps DAL's accountants and their math very honest.

01-25-2012 | 06:53 PM

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Our pay rates (including DC) have gone up by 27.5% on average in the same time frame and we added $750 million in merger stock. l tactics are great, I just need some history of success to back up those theories.

Please show your math on that.

01-25-2012 | 06:54 PM

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When is SWAPA going to be there to provide the facts/details of our industry's leading pilot contract? Are they on the agenda for tomorrow?

I think they're worrying about future concessions. The airlines CASM continues to rise, while their PRASM continues to drop.

01-25-2012 | 06:54 PM

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Lets see how well SWAPA does now that they are facing higher costs and a rational playing field. If anything their "darling" status as an independent union is about to get tested.

That sure would be a nice break for ALPA, wouldn't it? Then you could maintain your low expectations and not have that whole pesky SWA thing hanging over your head.

01-25-2012 | 06:56 PM

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Air France-KLM Expects Deep Loss
BY DAVID PEARSON -- WSJ
JANUARY 25, 2012

PARIS—Air France-KLM's financial situation is "extremely tight" after the company incurred a substantial operating loss in 2011 for the fourth consecutive year, the chief executive of Air France, one of the Franco-Dutch group's two airline divisions, said Wednesday.

Alexandre de Juniac told a French parliamentary commission that due to rising fuel costs, fierce competition from low-cost airlines and the lingering effects of the financial crisis, Air France-KLM's losses from operations last year will reach "several hundred million euros," but declined to be more explicit as the company's accounts are still being audited. Air France-KLM is 15.7%-owned by the French state.

More flying for us????

01-25-2012 | 06:56 PM

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Please show your math on that.

Take the NWA and DAL pre JPWA rates and then average the raises together.

01-25-2012 | 06:57 PM

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More flying for us????

ALPA has long since predicted that AF would be hitting a very stiff headwind and guess what? They were correct. What that means is anyone's guess, but there are probably a lot of jets that AF has on order that they may not take deliver of.

01-25-2012 | 06:58 PM

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I think they're worrying about future concessions. The airlines CASM continues to rise, while their PRASM continues to drop.

Possibly. But I'll bet they aren't worried about anything even remotely like 42%. Just as a point of reference, they would have to take about a 35% pay cut to come down (way down) to the W2 of a typical Delta narrowbody domestic pilot.

01-25-2012 | 07:01 PM

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Hard to say. Delta is one of the better paid pilot groups in the industry. When Gary Kelly points to competitors, you can bet Delta will be included. And we are one of the better paid. I'm not implying they'll take 35% paycuts, but everyone's fun ride comes to an end eventually.