Another side bit in that memo was the LGA-MSY flight which started out as an RJ but is now a 319. Perhaps we will fly something bigger on the LGA DFW legs! I guess I'll have to be patient, which goes against most pilot tendencies!

Your memory doesn't go back far enough. We used to do LGA-MSY on a 727.

01-30-2012 | 04:32 AM

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Your memory doesn't go back far enough. We used to do LGA-MSY on a 727.

We also once did LGA-DFW on the 727. Clearing the berms at the end the runway at LGA was always a issue on that flight. Then one day they cut out the berms. Smart move. You could see all the grooves in them from tailskid hits.

01-30-2012 | 04:35 AM

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Your memory doesn't go back far enough. We used to do LGA-MSY on a 727.

Yeah, and we didn't use to have any RJs. What's your point?

01-30-2012 | 04:37 AM

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Yeah, and we didn't use to have any RJs. What's your point?

We have however had feed since at least the seventies if not earlier. In the eighties the RJ did not exist so most of the feed was turboprops and 100 seat jets. BAE146's operated by ASA.

01-30-2012 | 05:22 AM

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Actually the codeshare committee puts out a pretty good projection on what is happening with RJs, you'll find it on the DALPA site...

From the November 2011 codeshare committee PowerPoint presentation

Slide 3:
13 AC removed from Mainline fleet since the Aug 2011 MEC meeting

Slide 4:
8 MD90s added

Slide 9:
DCI fleet added 4 since Aug 2011 MEC report and 14 since the May 2011 report

Slide 21:
Peak DCI departures projected to exceed 60% of all Delta system departures in Dec 2013 before retreating again and reaching September 2011 levels by Sept 2016.

Again this isnt conjecture on my part, but the data presented by SM and RD of the DALPA codeshare comittee available at dal.alpa.org.

Cheers
George

Why wasn't slide 21 provided as a primer to the contract survey with a flashing red border and warning sirens?

01-30-2012 | 07:11 AM

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Yeah, and we didn't use to have any RJs. What's your point?

My point is it shouldn't have ever been an RJ in the first place. It should have always stayed mainline just like LGA-DFW. The loads used to be there when it was mainline. Now we have driven those away with RJ's.

01-30-2012 | 07:18 AM

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And we had a 757 from DFW to LGA 11-12 years ago. 727 from DFW-JFK-DFW. Any argument supporting rjs developing a market is simply mngmnt trying to see if it will stick...and to see if we'll buy it.

Heck, AA used to fly DC-10s...FULL between DFW-LGA!

01-30-2012 | 07:25 AM

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And we had a 757 from DFW to LGA 11-12 years ago. 727 from DFW-JFK-DFW. Any argument supporting rjs developing a market is simply mngmnt trying to see if it will stick...and to see if we'll buy it.

Heck, AA used to fly DC-10s...FULL between DFW-LGA!

I gotta absolutely agree with you. Market development is something like CHS-BNA or ROC-ORF.

Market destruction is putting RJs on what used to be a full widebody route, or connecting MAJOR hubs with RJ only service then calling it feed. I dont care what anybody says, when I commute on a 50 seat RJ, it is uncomfortable... Poor mainline service beats great 50 seat service. Bigger than 50 seat should be a mainline aircraft.

01-30-2012 | 07:42 AM

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I agree, I was also pointing out that at least in one instance we seem to have "grown" a route up from RJ to mainline. I realize these used to be mainline routes, all of them (for the most part) were mainline. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed due to lack of diligence and shortsightedness.

I was extremely upset when the initial two rounds of routes came out and there were only 7 mainline routes listed. I guess I'm looking for the "silver" lining. Seems to be strangely lead colored however - that won't hurt me will it?

01-30-2012 | 07:44 AM

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Market development? Is that some sort of oxymoron?

Of course, if you don't advertise, you can throw airplanes at a segment and when folks don't come cancel it and tell everyone how stupid they were. I guess network just hopes that word of mouth and the intraweb thingy will solve all of their problems.