Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-13-2012 | 12:16 PM
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Thanks.
Aren't you kind of helping the company staff bases marginally, and float people to cover the deepest holes, under that scenario? I'm trying to keep an open mind, but this seems at first glance to be an idea that's bad for the group in general, but only good for the few that get to do it. What am I missing?
Aren't you kind of helping the company staff bases marginally, and float people to cover the deepest holes, under that scenario? I'm trying to keep an open mind, but this seems at first glance to be an idea that's bad for the group in general, but only good for the few that get to do it. What am I missing?
02-13-2012 | 12:23 PM
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Sure, we may have been helping out the company, but I never saw much downside in it for the pilot group. It was a great way to check out another base if you were considering bidding into it permanently. Like nu said, I never heard any body complaining about it. Seemed to be a win-win for both sides. Consider Tsquare's standard complaint that ATL is over-manned while NYC guys can't drop anything. Would it be bad for us if we had a system like this in place that allowed us to volunteer up to NYC for a month or two?
Agree. I'm not sure what incentive there would be for the company to staff a base marginally. Temp bids came with a quite a bit of financial penalty to the company.
Under the APA system, there was more potential for the company to "flux" the bases, but that never seemed to be a problem, and there was little, to no churn at the bottom (although I'm sure there were some isolated cases).
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02-13-2012 | 12:23 PM
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02-13-2012 | 12:40 PM
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02-13-2012 | 12:48 PM
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Earlier today my wife made the observation; "Hey, if we could just get that extra 4.85% every month, it would be like your OLD paychecks!" And I had to remeind her, Yeah but, I was a domestic 757 driver back then, not a 777 Capt...
I don't know about you guys, but getting such a small piece of our pie (4.85%) back, once a year, when we gave up 42%, plus our DB money, just ****es me off, more than makes me want to celebrate.
Kind of a painful reminder of exactly how much we gave away.
Sure it's better than getting zilch, no doubt, but still...it would be nice to have that little 'extra' every month.
I'm sure Ed won't be getting any sleep tonight though...
I don't know about you guys, but getting such a small piece of our pie (4.85%) back, once a year, when we gave up 42%, plus our DB money, just ****es me off, more than makes me want to celebrate.
Kind of a painful reminder of exactly how much we gave away.
Sure it's better than getting zilch, no doubt, but still...it would be nice to have that little 'extra' every month.
I'm sure Ed won't be getting any sleep tonight though...
Your post made me do some research that's pretty darn depressing.
In February 1995 I was a four year 727 First Officer. My hourly rate was $98.48. I contributed 6% to the Family Care Savings Plan, so my effective rate was $92.57.
Seventeen years later I'm an A-320 Captain and my hourly rate is $175.00 an hour. Because I'm a dead zoner I contribute 25% to my retirement (including the over 50 catch-up contribution). That makes my effective rate $131.25. (And I'm not getting into the degradation of our medical plan ...)
So using an inflation calculator, $92.57 in 1995 dollars equates to $136.63 in 2011 dollars. I'm essentially making five bucks an hour less as a 22 year A-320 Captain than I was making as a 4 year 727 First Officer, barely off B-scale!
I guess this would be the point that Slow, Sailing, Alfa, or PG will chime in and tell me how great I'm doing....
It sure doesn't feel it from where I'm sitting.
02-13-2012 | 12:49 PM
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Earlier today my wife made the observation; "Hey, if we could just get that extra 4.85% every month, it would be like your OLD paychecks!" And I had to remeind her, Yeah but, I was a domestic 757 driver back then, not a 777 Capt...
I don't know about you guys, but getting such a small piece of our pie (4.85%) back, once a year, when we gave up 42%, plus our DB money, just ****es me off, more than makes me want to celebrate.
Kind of a painful reminder of exactly how much we gave away.
Sure it's better than getting zilch, no doubt, but still...it would be nice to have that little 'extra' every month.
I'm sure Ed won't be getting any sleep tonight though...
I don't know about you guys, but getting such a small piece of our pie (4.85%) back, once a year, when we gave up 42%, plus our DB money, just ****es me off, more than makes me want to celebrate.
Kind of a painful reminder of exactly how much we gave away.
Sure it's better than getting zilch, no doubt, but still...it would be nice to have that little 'extra' every month.
I'm sure Ed won't be getting any sleep tonight though...
He is a fifth year FO going to the left seat of the 777.
02-13-2012 | 12:57 PM
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I would submit that no one has produced an answer to slow's question yet, would some of the peeps here know how the other unions deemed to be "successful" (IPA, APA, SWAPA) operate their structure?
(I'm not saying that another union has done a better or worse job, just wanting to know the structure they use.)
(I'm not saying that another union has done a better or worse job, just wanting to know the structure they use.)
02-13-2012 | 12:58 PM
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Timbo.
Your post made me do some research that's pretty darn depressing.
In February 1995 I was a four year 727 First Officer. My hourly rate was $98.48. I contributed 6% to the Family Care Savings Plan, so my effective rate was $92.57.
Seventeen years later I'm an A-320 Captain and my hourly rate is $175.00 an hour. Because I'm a dead zoner I contribute 25% to my retirement (including the over 50 catch-up contribution). That makes my effective rate $131.25. (And I'm not getting into the degradation of our medical plan ...)
So using an inflation calculator, $92.57 in 1995 dollars equates to $136.63 in 2011 dollars. I'm essentially making five bucks an hour less as a 22 year A-320 Captain than I was making as a 4 year 727 First Officer, barely off B-scale!
I guess this would be the point that Slow, Sailing, Alfa, or PG will chime in and tell me how great I'm doing....
It sure doesn't feel it from where I'm sitting.
Your post made me do some research that's pretty darn depressing.
In February 1995 I was a four year 727 First Officer. My hourly rate was $98.48. I contributed 6% to the Family Care Savings Plan, so my effective rate was $92.57.
Seventeen years later I'm an A-320 Captain and my hourly rate is $175.00 an hour. Because I'm a dead zoner I contribute 25% to my retirement (including the over 50 catch-up contribution). That makes my effective rate $131.25. (And I'm not getting into the degradation of our medical plan ...)
So using an inflation calculator, $92.57 in 1995 dollars equates to $136.63 in 2011 dollars. I'm essentially making five bucks an hour less as a 22 year A-320 Captain than I was making as a 4 year 727 First Officer, barely off B-scale!
I guess this would be the point that Slow, Sailing, Alfa, or PG will chime in and tell me how great I'm doing....
It sure doesn't feel it from where I'm sitting.
02-13-2012 | 01:09 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
There are some other gigs out there that look appealing, perhaps better than EK.
Delta says they are over staffed by 4 or 5%. ALPA's Expert says he does not know when things will turn around. Seems like a win for Delta and Delta's pilots to offer very long term leave. Those who want to could get out of the way and reduce Delta's costs until (when / if) Delta has a need for pilots.
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02-13-2012 | 01:15 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Duplicate post ...
So how about a displacement superfecta?
So how about a displacement superfecta?
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