johnso29

I'm actually shocked that anyone on this forum thought DAL would do anything other then shrink once the merger was complete. Organic growth after merging 2 airlines(which was done to reduce capacity and increase pricing power) would defeat the purpose of the merger in the first place. I'm still pleasantly surprised we made it through without furloughs.

tsquare

If my post came off as condescending, I apologize. I didn't mean for that, but I just don't see any upside to the donuts at this point in the game. And I am no DALPA cheerleader. I think they have served a purpose in that they made DALPA sit up and take notice, but that purpose is no longer needed.

I also respect that you have been through this process. There are many that are calling for new representation that have not, so your opinion is valuable.

Doug Masters

I didn't take it that way...no worries.

Bucking Bar

BTW: When flying the back side of the clock and the EMHO arrives on schedule, just think of Ray LaHood. Problem fixed.

Bucking Bar

The powers that be promised retirements and growth. Shame on us for believing them?

Or are you in the "all of you holding wide body FO positions got it "out of seniority" camp? (not a slam, just can't recall where you were on that debate).

johnso29

No Bar, I'm not in that crowd. I think we have to face the reality that PMDL's international expansion fell off a cliff because of the global economy. The merger contributed to you losing your seat. That's undeniable IMO, but so is my point. I feel the end result of DAL & NWA going at it alone would have been worse. IOW, it kept us off the street.

The retirements are still out there, so that's not an empty promise. Growth from a merger though, is something someone should never believe. It defeats the entire purpose of merging. When someone gets liposuction, they don't keep the fat. They throw it out. So I just couldn't see us growing after we merged. Especially with the economy the way it is.

tsquare

Not really shame on us, but the lack of due diligence on our part is a bit puzzling. Really if you look at it objectively, it was quite obvious that the city pairs that were being flown by USA in LGA were not going to instantly support mainline. We all got caught up in the euphoria.. Me included. I DO think though that if a good portion of those routes are not turned into mainnline routes it will be very difficult for the company to get the support of this pilot group like they have in the past.. JMHO

Never understood this kind of argument. What does "out of seniority" mean? It would seem to indicate some sort of shenanigans as to a person receiving a bid to a particular category. If it is in reference to, oh, say the company plug being on the 7ER, well... his seniority holds the airplane, therefore it is not out of seniority.

Ferd149

We were also told we would get "synergies" which of course is code for elimination of duplication or shrinkage.

Don't ask me, I can't remember where I had breakfast yesterday

But seriously, I think it's what most of us argued back then, ie we both turned out to be right in some but not all respects. It's more of a where question (vs a soup question). What Buzz and I can hold out east vs west vs what you're dealing with in ATL. It's a wild ride eh?

TeddyKGB

HaHa! I like the choice that said "try it yourself and see if you get the same reaction, perhaps she is being overly sensitive towards him"

Good stuff !

Ferd149

Bingo, what I was trying to say in my last post.

Opps, no cheerleading, man law violation