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02-21-2012, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by themanager
sounds like something a woman would say.
02-21-2012, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The reson that LCC is making money is simple, they are doing it on the backs of the disunity their pilots are creating. Look at those payrates. If you cannot make money at those rates, then there is little hope for the carrier.
....Until his toxic labor stew is so unpalatable that no airline will consider ever voluntarily doing a deal with him.
(Probably has already happened. That is why he is begging a judge for a declaratory judgement.)
02-21-2012, 10:10 AM
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Delta Evaluates American Airlines Purchase, La Tribune Says
By Anne Swardson - Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM MT
Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) is evaluating a purchase of AMR Corp (AAMRQ).’s American Airlines, La Tribune website reported, citing unidentified people at Delta partner Air France-KLM (AF) Group.
Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson is especially interested in American’s Miami hub and Latin American routes, the website said. AMR filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Nov. 29.
By Anne Swardson - Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM MT
Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) is evaluating a purchase of AMR Corp (AAMRQ).’s American Airlines, La Tribune website reported, citing unidentified people at Delta partner Air France-KLM (AF) Group.
Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson is especially interested in American’s Miami hub and Latin American routes, the website said. AMR filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Nov. 29.
02-21-2012, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
And again, I propose that we end negotiations by accepting the SWAPA contract IN ITS ENTIRETY. It would give us world class scope and provide for C2K restoration on pay. SWAPA has this with a profitable company, and Delta is far MORE profitable. There is no way the NMB could see that as unreasonable. That's the strategy. And it's a strategy that DALPA refuses to even discuss...other than to lie about what is in the SWAPA contract.
Really? I've said the above a number of times before. And you've responded to it a number of times before. Is it really an "ears" problem or a memory problem?
Carl
Really? I've said the above a number of times before. And you've responded to it a number of times before. Is it really an "ears" problem or a memory problem?
Carl
"It's entirety"?
So how do you deal with the 253 large RJ's, 500+ smaller regional aircraft, AF/KLM/AZ Joint Venture, other international agreements, Skyteam, training, adjustment of pay for other aircraft types.
In one fell swoop you would cost the enterprise so much money in cancelled contracts, lack of ability to move passengers, elimination of international feed and connections, in addition to reconfiguring our entire workrule and pay package with unknown effects on the parts of the DAL operation that do not function anything like the SWA model.....
In other words, you destroy revenue generation, and increase cash outlay to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars. We'd be right back in BK within a month or two......
So the NMB would think that is reasonable how?
(Plus, many guys don't want the SWA contract... It's not "restoration" IMHO)
02-21-2012, 10:51 AM
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Delta Evaluates American Airlines Purchase, La Tribune Says
By Anne Swardson - Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM MT
Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) is evaluating a purchase of AMR Corp (AAMRQ).’s American Airlines, La Tribune website reported, citing unidentified people at Delta partner Air France-KLM (AF) Group.
Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson is especially interested in American’s Miami hub and Latin American routes, the website said. AMR filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Nov. 29.
By Anne Swardson - Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM MT
Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) is evaluating a purchase of AMR Corp (AAMRQ).’s American Airlines, La Tribune website reported, citing unidentified people at Delta partner Air France-KLM (AF) Group.
Delta Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson is especially interested in American’s Miami hub and Latin American routes, the website said. AMR filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Nov. 29.
My website is reporting that Anderson is especially interested in buying all of AMR's 777s and then making Check Essential #1 on the seniority list.
That's according to unidentified people at Delta partner Woodford Reserve.
02-21-2012, 10:59 AM
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Can someone give me a general run-down how blind swaps work or at least point me in the right direction? Can't find anything in the TWG working group stuff about how to do it.
02-21-2012, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Look no further than USAir to answer that question. Everybody seems to want to get back to "normal" payrates rather than the BK rates we are in right now, but for some reason blindness sets in when they talk about how to obtain that. You are correct in your analysis that management (and Wall Street) does not like uncertainty. True dat. The problem is how do you determine just how much uncertainty they will tolerate before they allow us to wallow in our own feces. (Again, look over at USAir.. they are making money as a corporation, it is just the pilots who are sucking wind) Standing up and delivering an ultimatum will probably get us rather quickly to that point. YES.. we deserve to be paid more.. a LOT more. I would never disagree with that, but I disagree with the methods of getting to the objective that many seem to have. The other part. We had a good strike vote back in 2000. That probably did lead to management coming to the table with a good offer. That also took unity. This is a sincere question about this: Do you think that we have that kind of unity with the DPA guys wanting to
decertify DALPA? Not flaming.. just asking.
As far as having SWA's scope clause.. I am not sure what effect it would have. I honestly do not know. We could very well find that DAL decides to change the direction they are going wrt all international flying, and they could send a ton of guys out the door. "Every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction" a once very smart man said.... or as another said "Be careful what you wish for" I just don't have enough information to make
that call.... I admire your confidence.
A little more on the strike vote. I am sure DALPA will be coming out with tons of information about the process in the coming months. An actual strike is a loooooooooong way off after the process begins, and there is a specific chain of events before the NMB gets involved. Be prepared.
decertify DALPA? Not flaming.. just asking.
As far as having SWA's scope clause.. I am not sure what effect it would have. I honestly do not know. We could very well find that DAL decides to change the direction they are going wrt all international flying, and they could send a ton of guys out the door. "Every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction" a once very smart man said.... or as another said "Be careful what you wish for" I just don't have enough information to make
that call.... I admire your confidence.
A little more on the strike vote. I am sure DALPA will be coming out with tons of information about the process in the coming months. An actual strike is a loooooooooong way off after the process begins, and there is a specific chain of events before the NMB gets involved. Be prepared.
That USair nonsense will end shortly. Their management has asked a judge to determine which path they can go, to either accept the NIC award or not, and the answer is pretty obvious to most. The verdict is supposed to be given by the end of this month. USair may force the new union to abide by the binding NIC award, and then a contract can be negotiated. USair management wants it done too, so it can attract merger partners and their unions. Higher pay and benefits may sway some people and creditors at good ole AMR....
02-21-2012, 12:09 PM
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nwa,
just treat your wish list as if all trips were available and you prioritize them accordingly. now just let it sit in there and if one of the ones on your list pops up, you get it. clear as mud?
just treat your wish list as if all trips were available and you prioritize them accordingly. now just let it sit in there and if one of the ones on your list pops up, you get it. clear as mud?
02-21-2012, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Can someone give me a general run-down how blind swaps work or at least point me in the right direction? Can't find anything in the TWG working group stuff about how to do it.
Originally Posted by Rudder
nwa,
just treat your wish list as if all trips were available and you prioritize them accordingly. now just let it sit in there and if one of the ones on your list pops up, you get it. clear as mud?
just treat your wish list as if all trips were available and you prioritize them accordingly. now just let it sit in there and if one of the ones on your list pops up, you get it. clear as mud?
In the space for the trip you want to pick up, instead of the rotation number you insert *03 or *04, etc. which means you will take any 3 day trip or any 4 day trip, etc.
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