Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-22-2012, 01:31 PM
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Down to my last month of living in base for a bit and need to find a crash pad in NY. I've heard Que Gardens, but was wondering if anyone had any info. I'll only need it for 3 months, but I'll be on reserve.
02-22-2012, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Yes, I believe that 50% + 1 from the pilot group is always a goal of Management. With that being said, I believe they can "reach that point" more easily with a group that doesn't have unity.
For example purposes, lets say that they see us as "non-unified" in the fight for DPA. Management then has their experts analyze the demographics, and/or priorities of the the "non-unified" group. (For easy math, lets use a number of 12000 pilots.)
All that management has to do is find the minimum %% pay raise for the group that most quickly totals 6000 pilots, and VOILA, they have the minimum required in the TA sent for MEMRAT to get a contract passed. (If they need the 50% + 1 pilot, they include in the TA that Forgot to Bid can remain on the 88/90 for his career.)
For example purposes, lets say that they see us as "non-unified" in the fight for DPA. Management then has their experts analyze the demographics, and/or priorities of the the "non-unified" group. (For easy math, lets use a number of 12000 pilots.)
All that management has to do is find the minimum %% pay raise for the group that most quickly totals 6000 pilots, and VOILA, they have the minimum required in the TA sent for MEMRAT to get a contract passed. (If they need the 50% + 1 pilot, they include in the TA that Forgot to Bid can remain on the 88/90 for his career.)
In the above analogy which sounds right, no matter what group management analyzes, they still need to please 6001 pilots.
I guess in my mind, management intends to please the cheapest 6001 pilots unified or not.
Not trying to argue. Help me out.
02-22-2012, 01:48 PM
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From the "news" on PropagandaNet:
Does this change anything for us? Seems to me Delta could really stick it to AA by merging with Alaska and taking it out of play for American. If it's so highly integral to American's (conceptual) turnaround, it might be worth the premium.
American, which plans to cut 13,000 jobs and end pensions, is seeking $1.25 billion in labor savings and can ask the bankruptcy court to impose new contract terms if talks with unions fail.
Proposed pilot contract changes would help American on the U.S. West Coast by widening a marketing accord with Seattle-based Alaska Air Group Inc., the story said.
Proposed pilot contract changes would help American on the U.S. West Coast by widening a marketing accord with Seattle-based Alaska Air Group Inc., the story said.
02-22-2012, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
From the "news" on PropagandaNet:
Does this change anything for us? Seems to me Delta could really stick it to AA by merging with Alaska and taking it out of play for American. If it's so highly integral to American's (conceptual) turnaround, it might be worth the premium.
Does this change anything for us? Seems to me Delta could really stick it to AA by merging with Alaska and taking it out of play for American. If it's so highly integral to American's (conceptual) turnaround, it might be worth the premium.
02-22-2012, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
newK was discovered trying on his new 7ER captain uniform at Abbott's the other day:
(Sorry New.
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02-22-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
Sounds good if you have more than 15 years seniority, but I forgot being junior and forced to commute is a choice.
02-22-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Glad this constructive engagement that DALPA is practicing with the company is working so well . Starting with TO'M's MOU that reset the look back on the AF/KLM JV significantly to the company's advantage. This was an MOU that clearly impacted pilot jobs at Delta.
All the company needs to do now is sign on just a few more code shares and the pilots can strike all they want and it will have little impact on the company. Checkmate DALPA.
Glad we have a forward thinking top notch strategic planning commitee.
Could you explain how this is bad for Delta pilots?
02-22-2012, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
T,
No need to lose any sleep over the "donut-hole, crack-pipe smoking DPA supporters".
The entire group, including Carl on this forum, are in the perfect position. Let me explain.
1. Assuming the contract opener is shared with the pilot group, Carl will come in and state the DPA could've/would've done "better".
2. If the opener isn't shared, and the TA is less than what people think the D-ALPA might've been able to negotiate, again Carl will say the DPA could've/would've done better.
3. If the TA is adequate, in terms of what the pilot group has expressed they wanted, Carl will post........., yup you got it, the DPA could've done better.
I have a great idea. Instead of the DPA supporters always talking about what their "independent, in-house union" could do better, why don't they concentrate on even getting enough ballots (read: support from the pilot group) submitted so that the idea itself can be brought to an election?
The very fact that the DPA is still around, and hasn't offered any public support for our "current bargaining agent" shows Delta management how big of a "dis-unified group of buffoons we really are.
Again, Carl's position on this board, or the DPA thread, is a "win/win" situation. Just like the "Coward-In-Chief's" position we have in the White House. (I'd rather not get into the voting of 747 pilots at NWA to keep their pensions so that the junior guys could hit the street twice, but lets just say that he's not in it for the entire group.) What'd you and your group give up Carl? Some crew meals?
Anyway, bottom line, with one month until contract openers, I think our pilot group needs to appear a little more unified than it does, but what do I know?
GJ
No need to lose any sleep over the "donut-hole, crack-pipe smoking DPA supporters".
The entire group, including Carl on this forum, are in the perfect position. Let me explain.
1. Assuming the contract opener is shared with the pilot group, Carl will come in and state the DPA could've/would've done "better".
2. If the opener isn't shared, and the TA is less than what people think the D-ALPA might've been able to negotiate, again Carl will say the DPA could've/would've done better.
3. If the TA is adequate, in terms of what the pilot group has expressed they wanted, Carl will post........., yup you got it, the DPA could've done better.
I have a great idea. Instead of the DPA supporters always talking about what their "independent, in-house union" could do better, why don't they concentrate on even getting enough ballots (read: support from the pilot group) submitted so that the idea itself can be brought to an election?
The very fact that the DPA is still around, and hasn't offered any public support for our "current bargaining agent" shows Delta management how big of a "dis-unified group of buffoons we really are.
Again, Carl's position on this board, or the DPA thread, is a "win/win" situation. Just like the "Coward-In-Chief's" position we have in the White House. (I'd rather not get into the voting of 747 pilots at NWA to keep their pensions so that the junior guys could hit the street twice, but lets just say that he's not in it for the entire group.) What'd you and your group give up Carl? Some crew meals?
Anyway, bottom line, with one month until contract openers, I think our pilot group needs to appear a little more unified than it does, but what do I know?
GJ
I don't know Carl and so can't speak for him, but I appreciate the senior pilot who attempts to educate others on the failure of outsourcing and scope non-enforcement.
I will also go a step farther. Every DPA supporter WANTS to be a firm ALPA supporter. Yes, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Every pilot wants to be able to believe their collective bargaining agent has the absolute best interests of the pilot collective as the foremost concern. The problem is, they don't, or maybe they haven't is a better way to say it.
We all can be reasonable. Bankruptcy was an unreasonable time. The ensuing years have also changed the way many look at this job and our prospects with regard to it. We all want DAL to grow organically, we all want a great contract, we all want improvements in other areas too.
How to get there is really the issue. Personal attacks don't help either side of the discussion. There is little doubt DALPA is going to negotiate this contract. I hope they do an amazing job. If they don't, what will YOU say? You are predicting what Donut crack pipers will say, but what will you say?
Unity is critical going forward, the DPA website's existence has no effect on unity. We are all DAL pilots.
02-22-2012, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
Umm.... From the article you cited: "The agreements, recently approved by the Civil Aviation Administration of China, will allow both Chinese carriers to place their codes and flight numbers on Delta-operated flights between Seattle and Beijing. In addition, China Eastern will place its code and flight numbers on Delta-operated flights between Detroit and Beijing."
Could you explain how this is bad for Delta pilots?
Could you explain how this is bad for Delta pilots?
The airlines' agreement already allows China Eastern to codeshare on Delta's flight between Detroit and Shanghai; and allows Delta to codeshare on China Eastern-operated flights from New York and Los Angeles to Shanghai as well as China Southern's service between Los Angeles and Guangzhou.
But I'm guessing we don't have route authority for NY to Shanghai or LA to Shanghai, so I'm not sure it really hurts us.
02-22-2012, 02:20 PM
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So why does the New York State pay notice that I'm required to acknowledge say I'll make $0.00 per flight hour?
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